matvail2002 803 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 I would be a very good idea to have an election for a ''fictional'' canadian president as this is more easy with the PM4E+P with Canada's provinces. The electoral college distribution could be: Newfoundland & Labrador:4=40 Nova Scotia:6=60 P.E.I:1=10 New Brunswick:5=50 Québec:20=200 Ontario:24=240 Manitoba:8=80 Saskatchewan:6=60 Alberta:14=140 BC:16=160 Yukon:1=10 NWT:1=10 Nunavut:1=10 Total=107=1070 The seats for the primairies will be the electoral college seats multiplied by 10. The primairies elections for all parties will be all by proportionnal system for all parties. For the candidates (this is only to give a general idea and you are free to add some more): Note: There are some far-fetch candidates! CONSERVATIVES: Stephen Harper Peter MacKay Jim Prentice Maxime Bernier Stockwell Day Bernard Lord Mike Harris Jean Charest John Tory Jim Flaherty Ralph Klein Etc.... LIBERALS Stéphane Dion Michael Ignatieff Bob Rae Dalton McGuinty Bill Graham Gerard Kennedy Ken Dryden Shawn Graham Etc.... NDP Jack Layton Bill Blaikie Svend Robinson (?) Thomas Mulclair Lorne Calvert Carole James Gary Doer Etc.... BLOC QUÉBÉCOIS Could be with an alliance with somebody else? Gilles Duceppe Bernard Landry Pauline Marois André Boisclair Etc.... GREENS Elizabeth May Jim Harris David Suzuki (Could also be an Independant) Frank de Jong Jane Sterk Adriane Carr Etc.... INDEPENDANTS André Arthur (Independant-Libetarian?) Any ideas? I am waiting for your feedback! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VoteGOP 490 Posted April 23, 2008 Report Share Posted April 23, 2008 The Winner take all electoral style will be very interesting for canada. Will you be dividing Ontario and Quebec and such into more than one unit similar to the PM4E map? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VoteGOP 490 Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Hows the congressional majority gonna work. Its important condisering there probably won't be a majority by anyone. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tippins 2 Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 I'm pretty sure Jean Charest is a Liberal now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
albertaliberal2525 0 Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 No, Jean Charest is the leader of the Quebec Liberal Party. He's still more of a Conservative. Basically, the Quebec Liberal Party is a Federalist Coalition to take on the Parti Quebecois who want Quebec to separate from Canada. At one time Charest, was actually leader of the Federal Progressive Conservative Party. As a side note as well, I would leave off the Bloc. Their goal is just to stand up for Quebec and not to actually take control of the government. It would probably just mess up the Majority Rule and end up going to Parliament. (If we were following the American system). Right now, the Canadian Parliament is deadlocked in a Minority situation and it has a lot to do with the Block. If you guys need any help I'm in as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matvail2002 803 Posted May 20, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2008 Hows the congressional majority gonna work. Its important condisering there probably won't be a majority by anyone. I think it is possible to have a majority if the Bloc is not present: For exemple if you take the score at the last election: Newfoundland and Labrador=Liberal=4 P.E.I=Liberal=1 Nova Scotia=Liberal=6 New Brunswick=Liberal=5 Québec=Conservative=20 Ontario=Liberal=24 Manitoba=Conservative=8 Saskatchewan=Conservative=6 Alberta=Conservative=14 British Colombia=Conservative=16 Yukon=Liberal=1 NWT=NDP=1 Nunavut=Liberal=1 The total is: Conservative:64 Liberal=42 NDP=1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
browns47 3 Posted May 22, 2008 Report Share Posted May 22, 2008 Is anyone going to do this? I was considering doing Manitoba with the American system, aloting one electoral vote for each riding won. I may go on to doing this. I also have a Winnipeg 2010 one in the works. I have the Winnipeg one playable, but i haven't done many issue positions or polling numbers. I may do this when I get around to it. I was also condidering doing a Canada-US Union one. Does anyone have any ideas for any of these, especially the Manitoba 2011 one? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matvail2002 803 Posted May 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 As I am Canadian and I lived in Winnipeg from 1996 to 1998, I maybe have ideas for candidates for your Manitoba Scenario. NDP: Gary Doer Bill Blaikie Pat Martin Stan Struthers Greg Selinger PC: Hugh McFadyen Gary Filmon Vic Toews Rod Bruinooge Stuart Murray Steven Fletcher Bonnie Mitchelson Bob Senff Liberal: Lloyd Axworthy Reg Alcock Anita Neville Tina Keeper Raymond Simard For the US-Canadian union, I think that's a VERY good idea! I Look forward to it! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
browns47 3 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 As I am Canadian and I lived in Winnipeg from 1996 to 1998, I maybe have ideas for candidates for your Manitoba Scenario.NDP: Gary Doer Bill Blaikie Pat Martin Stan Struthers Greg Selinger PC: Hugh McFadyen Gary Filmon Vic Toews Rod Bruinooge Stuart Murray Steven Fletcher Bonnie Mitchelson Bob Senff Liberal: Lloyd Axworthy Reg Alcock Anita Neville Tina Keeper Raymond Simard For the US-Canadian union, I think that's a VERY good idea! I Look forward to it! Thanks, but I'm not really sure for the Conservatives on Filmon and Murray. They both have become semi-non existant after they stepped down as leaders. Also, since it's a 2011 scenario, I figure this will probably be Doer's last term and the door will probably open for another MLA like Struthers, Selinger, or another guy I've heardm ight be a contender, Gord Macintosh. I also like your idea of adding some MP's and other notable party figures since there aren't really that many for any office. I would probably also add someone like Jon Gerrard ot the lIberals (he's their leader now) and maybe Sma Katz to the Conservatives (he's a pretty popular mayor in Winnipeg. Right now, I'm trying to finish up Winnipeg 2010. Winnipeg is hard because there is really no municipal party structure and it is very hard to find candidates. The Canada-US union is probably really far away and I might not get to it because I'm really busy right now. On a side note, I think for the Canadian President you really have to use the BQ. Just because they amy not win does not mean anything. I think this could be solved with a easy congresional majority system. The majority would be which party controls the province at the provincial government level. Also, if you don't want the BQ you can just turn them off Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VoteGOP 490 Posted May 23, 2008 Report Share Posted May 23, 2008 Is anyone going to do this? I was considering doing Manitoba with the American system, aloting one electoral vote for each riding won. I may go on to doing this. I also have a Winnipeg 2010 one in the works. I have the Winnipeg one playable, but i haven't done many issue positions or polling numbers. I may do this when I get around to it. I was also condidering doing a Canada-US Union one. Does anyone have any ideas for any of these, especially the Manitoba 2011 one? I think the US-Canada union is a VERY good idea. You would probably get help from me and many others if you chose to do it. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matvail2002 803 Posted May 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 With or without Québec? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
matvail2002 803 Posted May 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 For the Canadian Presidential scenario somebody had done it for the original President Forever: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/146436-...fCanada2004.zip For the US-Canadian Union: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/154862-...merica-2008.zip http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/154862-...merica-2008.zip (With other North American countries) The Readme and description is as follows: ULTIMATE UNITED NORTH AMERICA 2008In this scenario, the United States, Canada, Mexico, Central America and the Caribbean have become one nation. Canada’s economy collapsed in 2005 and the only choice was to be absorbed into the United States. Canada amid protest signed the deal in February 2006. Prime Minister Paul Martin and President George W. Bush were the signatories. Vicente Fox Mexico’s president also signed on alone with the rest of the nations in December 2007. Cuba held out until being politely threatened with a nuclear strike. After this Fidel Castro was quite willing to sign on. After Congressional elections were held in late 2007 the seats totals were dead even amongst the four parties. There are 783 Electoral votes in the new nation. 392 EV are needed to win or the election will go to the bitterly divided House of Representatives. ELECTORAL VOTES FOR THE CANADIAN STATES: British Columbia – 8 Alberta – 6 Saskatchewan – 3 Manitoba – 3 Ontario – 19 Quebec – 13 Newfoundland – 3 New Brunswick – 3 Nova Scotia – 3 Prince Edward Island -3 Yukon – 3 Northwest Territories – 3 Nunavut -3 ELECTORAL VOTES MEXICO: Chihuahua-Coahuila – 23 Hidalgo-Colima – 29 Federal District of Mexico – 20 Yucatan-Chiapas – 28 OTHER STATES: Central America – 35 Cuba – 15 Spanish Main – 23 Puerto Rico - 5 The following are excerpts from the Treaty of Union between Canada and the U.S. Signed on February 16, 2006: CANADIAN DEMANDS: - The Yukon, Northwest Territories and Nunavut, amalgamated into the Canadian Arctic, be given statehood despite their small population. They will be allotted 3EV. The rationale for this was to give Canada more of a say during an election. - No term limits for Presidents. - As long as citizens, who have not been born in Canada and the U.S., have held citizenship for 20 years, they may run for the Presidency. U.S. DEMANDS: - U.S. political system be adopted. - Scrap the monarchy. - No Distinct status for Quebec (Secession will mean war!) - Congressional elections will be held immediately November 2006. The remainder of the countries in the new Republic signed the Pact Americana Treaty on December 28, 2007. UNITED NORTH AMERICA PARTIES AND CANDIDATES: Democratic Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton Paul Martin Jean Chretien Al Gore Al Sharpton Evan Bayh Howard Dean John Kerry John Edwards Joe Lieberman Nancy Pelosi Richard Gephardt Wesley Clark Zell Miller Sheila Copps Anne McLellan Bill Richardson Bob Kerrey Joe Biden Ted Kennedy Tom Daschle Barrack Obama Oprah Winfrey Ben Affleck Alec Baldwin Jesse Jackson Jesse Jackson Jr. Al Franken Charles Schumer Bill Bradley Ed Rendell Tom Vilsack Blanche Lincoln Harold Ford Jr. Mark Warner Mary Landrieu Bill Nelson Janet Napolitano Jennifer Granholm Rod Blagojevich Russ Feingold Chris Dodd Gavin Newsom Kathleen Sebelius Jefe Cuauhtemoc Cardenas Sila Maria Calderon Anibal Vila Republican George W. Bush Jeb Bush Rudy Giuliani John McCain Bill Frist Condolezza Rice Arnold Schwarzenegger Michael Peroutka George Pataki Stephen Harper Stockwell Day Ron Gray Alan Keyes Pat Robertson Mr. T Sylvester Stallone Pat Buchanan Anne Coulter Oliver North Tom Ridge John Ashcroft Sean Hannity Mel Gibson Rush Limbaugh Donald Rumsfeld Gary Bauer Elizabeth Dole Dan Quayle Trent Lott Paul Cellucci Bob Taft Mitt Romney.txt Bill Owens Mark Sanford Rick Santorum Chuck Hagel Sam Brownback George Allen Preston Manning Mike Harris Deborah Grey Tony Clement John Reynolds Ralph Klein Vicente Fox Pedro Rossello Tom DeLay Norm Coleman Socialist Party Ralph Nader Dennis Kucinich Jack Layton David Cobb Gilles Duceppe Jim Harris Michael Moore Peter Camejo Sheila Copps Bill Blaikie Ted Turner Jane Fonda Svend Robinson Lorne Nystrom Alexa McDonough Bruce Springsteen George Soros Subcommadante Marcos Fidel Castro Raul Castro Manuel Noriega Noam Chomsky American Progressive Party Jesse Ventura Peter MacKay Joe Clark David Orchard Ian McClelland Scott Brison Belinda Stronach Jim Prentice Michael Badnarik Jean Charest Arlen Specter Ross Perot Michael Bloomberg Donald Trump Bill O’Reilly Colin Powell Steven Forbes Brian Mulroney Francisco Labastida Somebody had also done something of an union between the US, the UK, Canada (excluding Québec), Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and Israel: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/159595-...sident-2008.zip 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedStateProgressive 0 Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 For the Canadian Presidential scenario somebody had done it for the original President Forever:http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/146436-...fCanada2004.zip For the US-Canadian Union: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/154862-...merica-2008.zip http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/154862-...merica-2008.zip (With other North American countries) The Readme and description is as follows: Somebody had also done something of an union between the US, the UK, Canada (excluding Québec), Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and Israel: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/159595-...sident-2008.zip Are these all the 2004 files, or are any of them the new ones? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
VoteGOP 490 Posted May 27, 2008 Report Share Posted May 27, 2008 For the Canadian Presidential scenario somebody had done it for the original President Forever:http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/146436-...fCanada2004.zip For the US-Canadian Union: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/154862-...merica-2008.zip http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/154862-...merica-2008.zip (With other North American countries) The Readme and description is as follows: Somebody had also done something of an union between the US, the UK, Canada (excluding Québec), Australia, New Zealand, Ireland and Israel: http://dl.filekicker.com/send/file/159595-...sident-2008.zip The thought of that scenarion make my mouth water. We all need to get together and make this for '08. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Engage Posted June 5, 2008 Report Share Posted June 5, 2008 How did you come up with the electoral college numbers? I came up with an alternate plan based on adding the number of Senators in each province with their Members of Parliament: British Columbia- 42 Alberta- 34 Saskatchewan- 20 Manitoba- 20 Ontario- 130 Quebec- 99 New Brunswick- 20 Nova Scotia- 21 Prince Edward Island- 8 Newfoundland- 13 Nunavut- 2 Northwest Territories- 2 Yukon- 2 That's a total of 413 electoral college votes, with 207 as the magic number. It's impossible to win without Ontario or Quebec. I think the Bloc would be a non-factor, as I doubt they would contest the national presidential election. They would likely remain a strong force in the legislative branch, but that would be largely irrelevant to this scenario. I would probably create a minor sovereigntist candidate with ballot access only in Quebec as a sort of protest candidate. In the event that an election goes to Congress, I would either set Quebec to vote for the protest candidate or the Liberals (through the Bloc abstaining). As for the primary schedule, I think that Quebec would be first as a way to maximize their influence. Anyway, that's just my thoughts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
james_bond72 5 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I do something like that for 2008, but with a different map who cut some province in 2-3 or 4 part. I also play with the number of senators for try to be fair with the western provinces versus the atlantic provinces. British Columbia - 27 Greater Vancouver - 17 North Alberta - 16 South Alberta - 17 Saskatchewan - 22 Manitoba - 22 Northern Ontario - 14 Eastern Ontario - 31 Central Ontario - 31 Southern Ontario - 31 East Toronto - 15 West Toronto - 16 Northern Quebec - 21 Western Quebec - 27 Eastern Quebec - 27 Montreal-Laval - 28 New Brunswick- 20 Nova Scotia- 21 Prince Edward Island- 8 Newfoundland- 13 Nunavut- 2 Northwest Territories- 2 Yukon- 2 For a total of : 430 electoral votes I work of this scenario during some time but a have some difficulty with the numbers (like % in primaries or in election) Candidates : Liberal : Jean Chrétien Bob Rae Stephane Dion Paul Martin Justin Trudeau Denis Coderre (look like a favorite son of Quebec) Micheal Ignatieff Gerald Kennedy Conservative : Stephen Harper Lawrence Cannon Peter MacKay NDP : Jack Layton Thomas Mulcair Green : Elizabeth May Bloc Quebecois : Gilles Duceppe All other candidates propositions can be considered (like NDP, Green, Bloc*) * - Maybe i add some PQ actual of pass leader (Bouchard, Parizeau, Boiclair, Landry and maybe Pierre-Marc Johnson. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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