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This is the scenario, it's 2016 and the supreme court is in the process of possibly declaring parties a type of trust. Therefore, while parties still excist they have lost a lot of momentem. For the purpose of this scenrio there are 2 parties, the democrat and republican, but 3 other "classifactions, Libreal Independent, Conservitive Independent, and Centrist Independent.

I'm looking for suggestions on canidates and issues, the current issues I'm thinking of are Parties, Definition of Trust, Iran War (supposing we invaded there), and I'm looking for more.

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I tink it would be a good idea to have atleast one candidate who is a ture Social Democrat. A candidate simlar to Canadas Belinda Stronach would be good for the Democrats or Liberal Independant. By similar I mean candidate who is a Social Democrat, pro-union but also pro-business. Im sure the US must have a politician like this and it dont have to be woman, because it can also be a man but it wouldnt matter as long as they are a Social Democrat.

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This seems like a good idea. I can help by finding a bevy of good candidates and then plugging in their platform and bios. As far as a Social Democratic Party, their definatly has to be one. Several possible social dems would be Rahm Emanuel who pushed NAFTA while being very pro-union, John Dingell: Not pro-free trade, but very much a social democrat, Denis Kucinich, Barbara Lee, and possibly John Edwards. I would also suggest making the Parties more European in nature. That would mean Labor, Liberal, Social Dems, Greens, Conservatives, Natural Law, and, what they heck, Libertarian. I would also support eliminating the Dems and Republicans to truly shake things up.

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Canidates (so far)

Republicans

  • Romney
  • Huckabee
  • Condoleezza Rice
  • Arnold Schwarzenegger (A law allows him to in this scenario)
  • Mike Sanford

Democrats

  • Nancy Pelosi
  • Bill Richardson
  • Deval Patrick

Conservitive Independents

  • Bloomberg
  • Mark Warner

Libreal Independents

  • Nader
  • Obama

Centerist Independents

  • John P. Reisman
  • James Grier Miller

Socialist Independents

  • Denis Kucinich
  • Barbara Lee
  • Russ Feingold

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I'd drop Paul, Nader, Gore and Pelosi on age grounds, since we'll be eight years in the future.

For the Republicans, I'd add Bobby Jindal of Lousiana, and Matt Blunt of Missouri, and Sarah Palin from Alaska. Democrats: Deval Patrick from Massachussets and perhaps Evan Bayh.

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I'd drop Gore (Nixon staged a comeback 8 years after he lost to Kennedy but a 16 year comeback seems like a stretch) as well as Clinton. She's either going to win the 2008 election or she's not. And while the incumbent's VP is probably going to be running in 2016 I find it beyond the realm of possibility that Obama, Edwards, or even Richardson would tap Clinton to be their VP.

Here's some of the candidates I would use-

Democrats

After serving President Obama for eight years Vice-President Bill Richardson runs for the nomination unopposed

Republicans

Ex-governor and former vice-presidential candidate in 2012- Mike Sanford (SC)

Senator Jodi Rell (CT)

Conservative Independents

Senator Mark Warner

Socialist Independents

Senator Russ Feingold

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Mark Warner is NOT conservative! Trust me on that one. I'd put him as a moderate.

Also, could we have Senator Al Franken running? It'd be fun. He could be a Democrat or Social Democrat.

Also, instead of Roy Blunt, we could have Jay Nixon. Blunt is losing to Nixon.

I tend to agree with FM that getting rid of the major parties would be more fun. The question is who is in charge of Congress?

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I think we should do away with the parties. It is too difficult to tell who would run as a Democrat as opposed to an indie. I think there should be five parties (obviously with better names):

LIBERAL

  • Sen. Russel Feingold
  • Sen. Al Franken
  • Gov. Deval Patrick
  • Rep. John Hall

CENTER LEFT

  • Sen. Mark Warner
  • Gov. Ted Strickland
  • Rep. Rahm Emanuel
  • Sen. Bob Casey
  • Rep. Harold Ford

CENTERIST

  • Gov. Arnold Swarchenegger
  • Sen. Mark Pryor
  • Rep. Heath Shuler
  • Fmr. Sen. Lincoln Chafee
  • Gov. Lincoln Davis

CENTER RIGHT

  • Sen. Bob Corker
  • Gov. Charlie Crist
  • Gov. Christine Todd Whitman

CONSERVATIVE

  • Gov. Bobby Jindal
  • Gov. Mike Sanford
  • Sen. John Thune
  • Mr. Sean Hannity
  • Gov. Jeb Bush

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That sounds like a great idea to me.

Here are the names that would make sense:

Liberal: Social Democrat

Center Left: Progressive

Center: Labor

Center Right: Conservative

Conservative: Little stuck here since there aren't that many Right-Wing political parties that are still mainstream (i.e. not fascist). I'm thinking something along the lines of Natural Law/Nationalist/Constitution Party

Plus, it seems as though your a little light on the Right

I would replace Lincoln Chafee with Florida Gov. Charlie Christ, as he is more relavent and Chafee is more center/center-left anyway

Also, add in Lincoln Davis to the center. hes a democratic house member from tenn. who is the favorite for governor

If you can send this to me i can add other candidates as well

hcallega@yahoo.com

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I added the guys you said. I want Chafee in; I think that he would do well under a non-partisan system. I know I'm a little thin on the Republican side. I need help there, I don't see too many up and coming Republicans.

As far as party names, I like yours. I would tweak them, though.

PROGRESSIVE

NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

BLUE DOG INDEPENDENTS

????????????

CONSERVATIVE

I'm trying to match them up a little with their respective Congressional Caucuses (Progressive is the left, New Dems are the center left and Blue Dog is the Center). I don't have a center right name, I would like to maybe seperate the Theocons from the Neocons.

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The Chafee thing makes sense. As far as the center-right party how about constitution party. After all, it seems less conservative than conservative, but it seems like something that republicans would call it.

Also, i think Blue Dogs seems rather odd for a party name, maybe labor since that is the moderate party in Europe.

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The Chafee thing makes sense. As far as the center-right party how about constitution party. After all, it seems less conservative than conservative, but it seems like something that republicans would call it.

Also, i think Blue Dogs seems rather odd for a party name, maybe labor since that is the moderate party in Europe.

Constitution would work.

Blue Dogs are the conservative wing of the Democratic party. It is an odd name, yes, but I think that it fits. I'm a little bit hesitant to name the party Labor, as Big Labor would be more inclined to endorse the Progressives or New Dems.

Also, I think there is still room for more candidates. In such a huge reallignment, I think a lot of people would decide to give it a go.

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I think we should do away with the parties. It is too difficult to tell who would run as a Democrat as opposed to an indie. I think there should be five parties (obviously with better names):

PROGRSSIVE

  • Sen. Russel Feingold
  • Sen. Al Franken
  • Gov. Deval Patrick
  • Rep. John Hall

NEW DEMOCRATS

  • Sen. Mark Warner
  • Gov. Ted Strickland
  • Rep. Rahm Emanuel
  • Sen. Bob Casey
  • Rep. Harold Ford

BLUE DOGS

  • Gov. Arnold Swarchenegger
  • Sen. Mark Pryor
  • Rep. Heath Shuler
  • Fmr. Sen. Lincoln Chafee
  • Gov. Lincoln Davis

CONSTITUION

  • Sen. Bob Corker
  • Gov. Charlie Crist
  • Gov. Christine Todd Whitman

CONSERVATIVE

  • Gov. Bobby Jindal
  • Gov. Mike Sanford
  • Sen. John Thune
  • Mr. Sean Hannity
  • Gov. Jeb Bush

I like your idea. Also I substitutired in the different names

I think we're good on the canidates, but now we now we need issues. Here's mine so far.

  • Political Parties
  • Unions
  • Free Trade
  • Iran
  • Middle East
  • Tax
  • Puerto Rico (it wants to become a state in this scenario)
  • Global Warming
  • Politican Wages
  • Oil
  • Russia
  • China
  • Draft

I had a couple other ideas for the scenario. Realations with China and Russia are at a boiling point and with US troops still in the Middle East & at war with Iran things arn't looking good. They're considering a draft. If you have any ideas for more issues post them. Also I'm going to need a lot of help researching all the canidates.

1 more thing if you have an idea of what each poltical belief (Far-Left, Left, Center Left, Center, Center-Right, Right, Far-Right) should be for an issue (i.e. Far Right believe no taxs) please post it here.

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  • Political Parties
  • Unions
  • Free Trade
  • Iran
  • Middle East
  • Tax
  • Puerto Rico (it wants to become a state in this scenario)
  • Global Warming
  • Politican Wages
  • Oil
  • Russia
  • China
  • Draft

I think that we need to determine who won the 2008 and 2012 elections before we continue. If we are at War with Iran, and Republican is likely in office. Also, who controls Congress? Odds are there will be quite a few ties in the electoral college.

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hmmmm........That makes matters more difficult. Honestly, it looks like Obama is the current favorite, but honestly, to be safe, just don't make either party the incumbent and leave out congressional and presidential endorsers.

P.S.: I am doing a version of this for 2008.

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