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This is just a thought, hopefully later turned into a scenario, but while i was working on my York Council scenario (less than 50% finished), i was thinking of a follow-up to the Best Prime Minister scenario, called "Best Non-Prime Minister", but maybe you can make up a better name for it. The candidates would be the best British Politicians who never became a Prime Minister. I have a small list of who should be in it, who possibly, and ones that i don't think should be in it:

Definites:

Kenneth Clarke (Conservative)

Nye Bevan (Labour)

Charles Kennedy(Liberal Democrat)

Enoch Powell (Conservative)

Possibly:

William Hague?

John Smith?

Tony Benn?

George Galloway?

Michael Heseltine?

Joseph Chamberlain?

Charles James Fox?

Peter Shore?

Oliver Stanley?

Douglas Hurd?

Keith Joseph?

Norman Tebbit?

Nicholas Ridley?

Nigel Lawson?

Jo Grimond?

Ian MacLeod?

Roy Jenkins?

Tony Crosland?

David Steel?

Paddy Ashdown?

Austin Chamberlain?

Willie Whitelaw?

I could go on and on...

Rejected(Who i considered then thought, better not)

Neil Kinnock - come on, he had 2 chances to become PM

Michael Howard

Most of the possiblies, are names i've found searching on this subject, i haen't really looked into them yet.

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I would really like to see the last Iceland, Netherlands or Spanish general election as maps are available.

There won't be another scenario release for now, as i still have a fair bit to go with the Blackpool one. We all lose concentration/interest at some point. However, here is a sneak peek at the Blackpool Council election:

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On this, the ridings are complete, so the map and scores are correct. Still have candidates, issues, endorsers, events to do. I hope to make this winnable for the Tories, to make this an enjoyable scenario, only 4 parties, the 2 UKIP candidates are merged with independents.

I'll be working on Germany 1990 after this, to compliment the 2005 and 2002 scenario's. At the rate i'm going at now, i might as well do England 2015 after that one, possibly.

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I'm not sure if you mean in the game or who's in control now, so, in 2003, it was Labour in full control since 1992, but now it's back under Tory control in 2007. The actual 2003 council election was a complete stalemate, nobody really gained or lost any seats. The Tories lost 2 seats as the council seats were reduced by 2.

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The candidates would be the best British Politicians who never became a Prime Minister. I have a small list of who should be in it, who possibly, and ones that i don't think should be in it:

I have read pieces on this subject in the past- Hugh Gaitskell often seems to feature in them.

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Yes, after researching, i think Hugh Gaitskell should be a definite. When i get round to that scenario, i will research proper, especially on the early and 19th centuries.

Another scenario i'm enthusiastic about getting to make a start is the African fictional country, because of it's unique situation and see if it will work the way i want it!

I think i'll go against my own wishes, and make a start on Germany 1990 while in the midst of Blackpool! I think i may develop my own Germany map, with possibly same regions, but larger.

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Belgium 2003

If your still considering to do a Belgium scenario, I might be of use. I'll list the elections that seem the most exciting:

- The 1999 federal election: The Christian-Democrats were sent into opposition for the 1st time in more than half a century, the rise of a charismatic leader (Guy Verhofstad)

- The 2003 federal election: basically a victory for the purple government that now could rule without the Greens

- The 2007 federal election: The return of the Christian Democrats as well as the rise of a serious Flemish Separatist movement.

- The 2009 regional election in Flanders: Will the Christian Democrats be punished for 2 years of mismanagement or will the left crumble further with rightwing populism rising?

- The 2009 regional elections in Wallonia: a neck-to-neck race between socialists and liberals

- The 2011 federal election: hard to predict even who will be the standardbearers of the respective parties.

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Hi Flinders92 welcome to the forum.

I am certain i will do Belgium 2003, but unsure how soon i will get to it. Perhaps if there is demand i could return to doing another Belgian scenario some time. I was interested in covering countries that are so far, not represented on the game, so doing regional districts, apart from the UK, are out of the question right now. The Belgian election scene is one of the more exciting ones though, like Finland's.

I'm back in the habit of starting more than 1 scenario now, whether that's a good thing remains to be seen!

Hopefully next week, Blackpool will be finished, and i'll post a preview shot of Germany 1990, here, which i have already started developing a larger German map. It will be many scenario's down the line before i will go back to council elections, as there is more demand for the country elections and fictional i feel. I will soon develop maps for England 2015 and Nyari 2000, and post them here also, for interests sake. The Scotland fictional one and best PM one won't be forgotten either. The career series is put on hold for now.

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- The 2009 regional election in Flanders: Will the Christian Democrats be punished for 2 years of mismanagement or will the left crumble further with rightwing populism rising?

I can help a little bit for Belgium, which is a good fit for the German C4E.

Hmmm....could the Vlaams Belang win a plurality and will a cordon sanitaire will be necessary?

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Hi Flinders92 welcome to the forum.

I am certain i will do Belgium 2003, but unsure how soon i will get to it. Perhaps if there is demand i could return to doing another Belgian scenario some time. I was interested in covering countries that are so far, not represented on the game, so doing regional districts, apart from the UK, are out of the question right now. The Belgian election scene is one of the more exciting ones though, like Finland's.

I'm back in the habit of starting more than 1 scenario now, whether that's a good thing remains to be seen!

Hopefully next week, Blackpool will be finished, and i'll post a preview shot of Germany 1990, here, which i have already started developing a larger German map. It will be many scenario's down the line before i will go back to council elections, as there is more demand for the country elections and fictional i feel. I will soon develop maps for England 2015 and Nyari 2000, and post them here also, for interests sake. The Scotland fictional one and best PM one won't be forgotten either. The career series is put on hold for now.

I would see the last Spainish election as a map is available. Also, the Netherlands will be good and they are both for C4E.

What is Nyari?

Also, for your England 2015 scenario will the UKIP and the BNP will have a greater proportion of votes than IRL with the possibilty of having 5-6 seats each?

I have an UK scenario going myself as the Greater-UK scenario is coming soon.

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Hmmm....could the Vlaams Belang win a plurality and will a cordon sanitaire will be necessary?

The Vlaams Belang actually is expected to be one of the major losers of the upcoming election. Their vote total would be 'only' around 15% while 2 other (extreme-)rightwing parties, the extremely libertarian List De Decker and the separatist New-Flemish Alliance, would score respectively 15 and 10%.

Major parties like the Christian-Democrats and the liberal party have already said they are willing to govern with De Decker but a recent scandal involving private detectives investigating a liberal ministers private life and family to dig up some scandals for De Decker might have changed that.

The N-VA already has been in a government between 2007 and 2008.

On the federal level these parties however are relatively dangerless, as they have no walloon counterparts to make them a power of importance.

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I would see the last Spainish election as a map is available. Also, the Netherlands will be good and they are both for C4E.

What is Nyari?

Also, for your England 2015 scenario will the UKIP and the BNP will have a greater proportion of votes than IRL with the possibilty of having 5-6 seats each?

Sorry i meant Nyarai 2000, which will be a fictional corrupt African country where the top party vote is 90-95% and then collapses as the campaign progresses. 3 other parties fight to become the second party or become the ruling government.

I have a more realistic idea of the BNP and Greens having 1 seat each, but the UK will be officially split this time, and i'm not sure i will include UKIP, and the BNP could become ENP (English National Party)

I've finished the candidates for the Blackpool council election. Here are the issues i've decided on:

All-year Employment (businesses are dependent on tourism, and have struggled to survive in the colder months)

Binge Drinking

Casino Proposal

Coastal Erosion

Crime

Deprivation

Education

Green Development

Heritage Conservation

Housing

Invasion of Iraq

National Health Service

Night Policing

Pub Licensing Laws

Public Transport

Regeneration

Tourism

Tram Network Expansion

Much of the news about Blackpool now, and back in 2003, is the regeneration masterplan, which i have branched/spilled out into other issues, such as Tram Network expansion, Green Development etc.

The other obvious local issue i left out was Beach Pollution, because by 2003, the state of the beach was in a much improved position and no longer an issue. Still to do headlines, endorsers, events, statements and platforms. Shouldn't take too long now.

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Hoped to had something to show, but only more ideas for now. I'm near completion(+ testing) of Blackpool, just that finding local headlines has taken so long, and still to be finished, along with party/platform candidates. No preview shot of Germany 1990 yet, i've made a good start but still to do the ridings(found a constituency list), which will take some time, plus hoping the seat tally will look right accoring to the primary/secondary conversion, which i think i can get a good estimate of CDU/CSU and SPD secondary votes, but might have to guess for everything else, as there's no info which party voters are sticking/not sticking with their party and who they are voting for on the secondary list. I've really tried to get party logos for that time period and have done so.

Although 1990 is a comfortable victory for the CDU/CSU, it's a very significant election. I would be interested in doing another German election, or more specifically West German. There were some cracking West German elections in the 60's and 70's, but the one that stands out for me is 1949, with seats spread out amongst a large number of parties, and a strong third party showing due to that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_1949

I'll definetely make a start on England 2015 and Nyarai 2000. My only definite for Nyarai is it definetely won't be 200+seats like Kanchelska, this will be on smaller scale.

Idea, ideas: I'm thinking about releasing best PM & and Best Non-PM, as a package when it comes to it. Still interested in doing best Lab, Con Lib leaders, i mentioned sometime ago.

Also interested in doing another leadership election, this would be Labour 1994, when Tony Blair was elected:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_..._election,_1994

Well, ive already done Cons and Libs, so time for a Labour one.

Very comfortable win, but since there was the infamous deal between Blair and Brown, i could do a version with Brown as well. Blair would still lead, but Brown not far behind.

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Yes i agree! I fancy doing 1976 now! Big names involved too. These type of scenario's don't take too long, so might make a start on it soon after finishing Blackpool.

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I've started on Germany - 1990, map finished, party logos finished, and made start on ridings.

Nayarai 2000 - Finished Rough layout of map, has 9 regions.

England 2015 - editing map. Map will have different look, London will be split into 4, plus less regions. Changing some seats and new seats according to changes by 2010, some candidates changed, but not going all the way to change all!

Parties decided -

Conservative

Lab-Lib Alliance

English National (ENP, formerly BNP)

Green

Independent

No UKIP. They have dissolved.

Party leaders for England 2015 - Con Leader - David Cameron (PM)

Alt 1: George Osbourne (Chancellor)

Alt 2: William Hague (Home Secretary)

Lab-Lib Alliance leader - David Milliband (Leader)

Alt. 1 - Vince Cable (Shadow Chancellor)

Alt. 2 - Milliband/Cable co-leadership

Alt. 3 - Jack Straw (Deputy Leader)

Alt.4 - Alan Johnson (Shadow Home Secretary)

Alt.5 - Nick Clegg (Shadow Foreign Secretary)

English National Party - Nick Griffin (leader)

Green - ????

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For the Lab-Lib, I would add Brian Paddick, Nick Harvey and Chris Huhme.

I would add Boris Johnson and Liam Fox for the Conservatives and Richard Barnbrook and Simon Darby for the ENP.

For the Greens maybe Sian Berry and Derek Wall?

Nigel Farage as an Independant?

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Matvail, great idea about having Nigel Farage as an independent! I'll put him in.

As for the Greens, i'll put in Sian Berry and for a change, an up-and-coming Green politician, maybe Adrian Ramsay.

Also, I forgot to say the ENP involves the English Democrats who have merged with the BNP.

Yes GOP, it would be great for help on issues. One could be Scotland-England Relations, Global Warming, along with Nuclear Power and the usual others, and fill it up with certain events like maybe a recent war or incident like an uprising or riot, possibly.

Nyarai 2000 Update - This fictional nation will have influences from Tanzania, Zambia and Zimbabwe such as place names etc. The parties are:

NAM-PF (Nyarai African Militant - Patriotic Front) (Centre-right)

DCN (Democratic Congress Now) (Centrist)

NPP (Nyarai Peoples Party) (Centre-left)

NNF (Nyarai National Front) (Right)

and here is the map and statistics, i'll edit the post as i go along...

nayarai1.jpg

1. Tukgani (671,923) 8 seats

2 Mumbzongwe (934, 812) 14 seats

3. Esimatenga (1,471,596) 20 seats - PREMIER STATE, PROVINCIAL CAPITAL

4. Chundeni (1,172,365) 17 seats

5. Gwemyembo (738,291) 11 seats

6. Umsfingora (892,401) 12 seats

7. Ijaro (563,829) 7 seats

8. Lukdazi (718,119) 11 seats

TOTAL POP.: 7, 426, 225 SEATS: 100

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Continuing with the England 2015 storyline....

Firstly, here is the new look but not radical England map boundaries.

map-1.jpg

So at election 2010, the Tories thrash Labour, while the Lib Dems maintain but still lose seats.

Election 2010

Conservative - 406 SEATS (GAIN + 208)

Labour - 154 SEATS (LOSS -202)

Liberal Democrat - 47 SEATS (LOSS -15)

UKIP - 0 SEATS (LOSS -1)

Green - 1 SEAT (GAIN + 1)

SNP - 16 SEATS (GAIN + 10)

Plaid - 4 SEATS (GAIN +1)

Respect - 1 SEAT (+/-)

Independent - 3 SEATS (GAIN +1)

BNP - 0 SEATS

As the elections looms, polls are predicting out of 533 seats:

Conservative - 324 SEATS

Lab-Lib Alliance - 202 SEATS

ENP - 2SEATS (GAIN + 2)

Green - 1 SEAT (+/-)

Independent - 4SEATS (GAIN +1)

On another note, as Euro election fever is afoot, and with the absence of extreme_right, i would like to do a UK ONLY version of this years Euro elections. But i will fill in the results only when it's over, nothing done on it yet.

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Hmmmm here are some issue possibilities:

Asylum and Immigration

Celtic Relations

Drug Policy

Economic Management

Education

Europe

Global Warming

Law and Order

Monarchy

National Security

NHS

Tax and Spend

That's fine, maybe swap Drug Policy if i can think of more pressing issues. I would add Sleaze and Corruption to that too, and Nuclear Power, due to fact that new power stations would be getting built throughout the former UK, as green energy would be too slow and expensive to support a growing population. Also Housing Shortage might be good as well.

Meanwhile, i've made the logos for the Lab/Lib Alliance and ENP. All other party logos stay the same:

lab-liballbig.jpg

lab-liball.jpg

enpbig.jpg

english-national.jpg

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Cool logos! Yeah, I just put in drug policy since it was kinda an issue in 2005, but I'm sure not really nowadays.

Issues

Asylum and Immigration

Celtic Relations

Corruption and Sleaze

Council Tax

Economic Management

Education

Europe

Family

Global Warming

Housing

Law and Order

Monarchy

NHS

Nuclear Power

Pensions

Tax and Budget

Terrorism

Transport

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Treasurer,

I looked at your Wales scenario and I didn't really enjoy it that much. I thought you didn't really give Labour much of an advantage and you put Rodri Morgan as much further to the right than I think he would be.

I'll try to do some research, and I'll look back at the Scotland scenario (2007) we did to improve it for submission. Hate to say it, but Peter Lucas' scenario was kinda bizarre and I'd like there to be a more fitting scenario for Scotland.

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