Anthony_270 1,105 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 [Note: This scenario has now gone to official status.] Hey everybody, You can download the new United States 2008 Beta scenario here: [scenario has gone to official status - please see http://80soft.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8763 ] To install, download the file to your desktop. Then unzip it to the right folder (right-click, Open With, Compressed (zipped) Folders, copy the United States - 2008 - Beta folder, paste it into your President Forever 2008 + Primaries or President Forever + Primaries scenarios folder). There will be another post about the changes here in a bit. Anthony Burgoyne http://www.TheorySpark.com Games that spark the political imagination! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,105 Posted September 28, 2007 Author Share Posted September 28, 2007 Scenario Changes Version 1.02 - changed starting funds for all candidates - changed Iowa caucus to January 3 - changed Michigan and Florida delegates to 1 for Democrats so work properly with game engine - Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter Established 2 > 1 - Hillary 2 > 3 Established - Obama 1 > 2 Established - changed fundraising coefficient 1000 > 2000 Version 1.01 - changed percentages for entire country (particular states also changed) to bring into alignment with most recent polls Obama (-) Edwards (-) Richardson (-) Giuliani (-) Thompson (+) McCain (-) Romney (-) Huckabee (-) - added new candidates Chris Dodd Dennis Kucinich Duncan Hunter Tom Tancredo Ron Paul (new for some versions) - changed primaries dates note Florida and Michigan 0 delegates (Democrats) and 1/2 (Republicans) projected early dates - Gingrich to off by default - added Jay Leno - chance economy boom 45 > 20 - changed candidate colours The TheorySpark Team Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayavarman 130 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 Thanks a bunch. Some numbers off, but at least we now have a template for change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrdie 2 Posted September 28, 2007 Share Posted September 28, 2007 You forgot to mention that Ron Paul is in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayavarman 130 Posted October 1, 2007 Share Posted October 1, 2007 I have released a 2008 scenario if anyone is interested. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectricMonk 3 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Giving Florida and Michigan 0 delegates mean their contests never occur and they linger in the strategy screen with -x days, and never get a lock icon on the main screen. Also I find it hard to believe that everybody endorsed Ron Paul on the Republican side (minus Giuliani) and that Paul won the nomination. Clinton's polls are too low. Nobody has enough/gets enough money. Current estimates are that Clinton/Obama will have 30 million on hand heading into the primaries, and Edward with around 20 million since he accepted public funding (as always, the game remains unable to model primary spending limits). Furthermore Obama raised 20 million this quarter and should be able to do that again for the next—making 50 grand a week + 50 grand a fund raiser (roughly) nowhere enough to hit that target. Same with everybody, basically. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Actinguy 862 Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Just wanted to give some "beta testing" results. For the first two games, I just watched as the Libertarian candidate, with all the actual 2008 candidates playing. Clinton won the democratic primary, chose Biden as her vice president. But the republican side was much more exciting, with Guiliani leading almost the entire primaries...and then Thompson suddenly came out swinging taking state after state, winning the primary by a wide margin. He chose Sanford as his VP. The rest of the game was pretty close, with states constantly swinging. When election night finally came, the winner wasn't called until 6 AM, when California finally locked on Thompson. The second game, I watched as the Libertarian again. This time, the democratic primary was more exciting, with Kucinich taking a ton of states at the beginning, and being almost tied with Clinton, who won the nomination and then took Kucinich as her vice. Ron Paul ended up with the republican nomination, choosing Romney as his vice (I think). This time, Clinton won the presidency. But my final game, where I played as McCain, was WAY more exciting...because going into the nomination, it was practically a four-way tie for republicans. Thomspon dropped out a week before the nomination and endorsed Romney, giving him a slight boost. But when the nomination came, there was still no clear majority. So Paul was dropped (due to having the fewest votes) and a revote was done for McCain and Romney, where Romney came out ahead. So I lost that game...but still VERY exciting! These were all on "hard" difficulty by the way. So I like that it's been so close! Great job! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrdie 2 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Kucinich isn't a Socialist, so his stance on labor unions should be left instead of far-left. (He is just a leftist social democrat) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Woohoo5241 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Just started playing. Appears to be the most realistic, up-to-date P4E + Primaries scenario I've seen thus far. Good updates, guys! Polls very accurate (though Hillary should be slightly higher methinks). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
skywalkr2 0 Posted October 3, 2007 Share Posted October 3, 2007 Just started playing. Appears to be the most realistic, up-to-date P4E + Primaries scenario I've seen thus far. Good updates, guys! Polls very accurate (though Hillary should be slightly higher methinks). Even though IRL I would never vote for Hillary - I think she loses the nomination far too often. My other pet peeve is Ron Paul. How in the world does he always end up with 15+ percent of the vote and often carries big states like California and Texas... IMO not possible IRL. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,105 Posted October 3, 2007 Author Share Posted October 3, 2007 Thanks everybody for the replies. For Clinton's poll numbers, which numbers in particular did you think were too low? (Nationally, or in particular states?) One thing to remember is that her numbers are with the undecideds, so her percentages have to be increased by a little under 50% if you want her share of the candidates' percentages (30% * 1.5 = 45%, for example). Yes, the Ron Paul conundrum. Maybe a Paulite programmer snuck in some code that increases his chances of winning (kidding). We'll look into it. Even though IRL I would never vote for Hillary - I think she loses the nomination far too often. My other pet peeve is Ron Paul. How in the world does he always end up with 15+ percent of the vote and often carries big states like California and Texas... IMO not possible IRL. Anthony Burgoyne http://www.TheorySpark.com Games that spark the political imagination! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Actinguy 862 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Thanks everybody for the replies.For Clinton's poll numbers, which numbers in particular did you think were too low? (Nationally, or in particular states?) One thing to remember is that her numbers are with the undecideds, so her percentages have to be increased by a little under 50% if you want her share of the candidates' percentages (30% * 1.5 = 45%, for example). Yes, the Ron Paul conundrum. Maybe a Paulite programmer snuck in some code that increases his chances of winning (kidding). We'll look into it. Anthony Burgoyne http://www.TheorySpark.com Games that spark the political imagination! I've noticed a couple times now, where contestants (especially Romney) tend to choose Dick Cheney as their vice president. I'm assuming he isn't a real-life contender, right? Given his statement that "If nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve", it seems he's not interested in continuing in the white house. And on the way off chance that he "did" want to continue as the vice president, I can't imagine anyone would think he'd be a great boost to their campaign. According to Wikipedia: Since 2001, when asked if he is interested in the Republican presidential nomination, Cheney has said he wishes to retire to private life after his term as Vice President expires. In 2004, he reaffirmed this position strongly on Fox News Sunday, saying, "I will say just as hard as I possibly know how to say... 'If nominated, I will not run,' 'If elected, I will not serve,' or not only no, but 'Hell no,' I've got my plans laid out. I'm going to serve this president for the next four years, and then I'm out of here." Is there a way to get rid of Cheney as a possible running mate? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayavarman 130 Posted October 5, 2007 Share Posted October 5, 2007 Use the candidate editor to delete him or go into the files and do it manually. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Actinguy 862 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Use the candidate editor to delete him or go into the files and do it manually. Ha, thanks. I tried doing it manually and it didn't work, but it never occured to me that I could delete him through candidate editor. Worked fine. BTW, I may have stumbled upon a bug. I was just simulating the election, "playing" as the libertarian but really just clicking through each turn to see the outcome instead of really playing. It got to election night...I can't remember, but it might've been Edwards vs. Romney. Anyhow, I turned on the option that gives a pop-up notice when each state gets called. It was a close race, but eventually, the election was called for Romney. So I then turned on the "fast forward" option, since the election had been called. But then around 1 AM gametime, I got another pop-up. "We are reversing our decision..." and then it showed Edwards with 270 electoral votes. Which I thought was AWESOME, since it was very similar to the Bush vs. Gore race in real life. But then as soon as I clicked okay, it popped up again with the same notice, although it left Edwards in the lead. I clicked okay, and it immediately happened again. This went on for probably 30 pop-ups. They finally ended, and I clicked off the "fast forward" option, and Romney was in the lead again. Only about five seconds "in game" time had passed, and no states had visibily changed their color. The game finally ended, with Romney in the lead. So Edwards only spent about 5 ingame seconds as the leader. To summarize, I got thirty pop-ups when Edwards took the lead after the election had been called for Romney. I was on fast-forward, with the pop-up notices on. No actual states changed color, and by the time the popups finally stopped, Romney was in the lead again. Any thoughts? Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sum1 0 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I've had the same thing happen to me. I think the problem is that when a state is too close to call, you get the message that the decision is reversed as the candidates exchange the lead. The problem is that when you are fast forwarding, the lead changes between the two candidates so quickly that you keep getting the popup ovr and over again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayavarman 130 Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I've had the same thing happen to me. I think the problem is that when a state is too close to call, you get the message that the decision is reversed as the candidates exchange the lead. The problem is that when you are fast forwarding, the lead changes between the two candidates so quickly that you keep getting the popup ovr and over again. Yep. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mrdie 2 Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 Brownback is out. Just a FYI. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles...t_of_2008_race/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,105 Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 Update: now updated to campaign Version 1.02 Beta. Changes include: - changed starting funds for all candidates - changed Iowa caucus to January 3 - changed Michigan and Florida delegates to 1 for Democrats so work properly with game engine - Brownback, Tancredo, Hunter Established 2 > 1 - Hillary 2 > 3 Established - Obama 1 > 2 Established - changed fundraising coefficient 1000 > 2000 You can click on the download link at the top of this thread to download the latest version. The TheorySpark Team Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KHorberg 0 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 What happened to the AutoUpdate feature? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayavarman 130 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 What happened to the AutoUpdate feature? I do not think it is utilized for beta updates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sarnstrom54014 1 Posted October 21, 2007 Share Posted October 21, 2007 Are there any plans to add Mike Gravel to the list of candidates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,105 Posted October 21, 2007 Author Share Posted October 21, 2007 Not at this point, but maybe in a future update. Thanks, Anthony Burgoyne http://www.TheorySpark.com Games that spark the political imagination! Are there any plans to add Mike Gravel to the list of candidates? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ahduke99 0 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 is it possible to change voter turnout for these scenarios? right now i'm getting less turnout than in 2004 with around 111 M each time .. although i am wiping the floor with hilary clinton being rudy giuliani. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectricMonk 3 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 If you have the Campaign Editor you can change it yourself (alienation factor). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean 0 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 WE NEED COLBERT!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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