Best PM Forever Results

[simonvallee 0]

Cleaning this thread so as to reserve it for posting results and discussing them.

[Hardrightconservative 5]

Simon wants to leave no evidence of his defeats on this board. He is trying to recover some credibility.

[mantis 1]

Simon wants to leave no evidence of his defeats on this board.  He is trying to recover some credibility. 

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Almost like Stalin having the faces of the "enemies" (former friends) that he made "disappear" removed from photos and all historical records.

[Hardrightconservative 5]

Yeah. Just being a good socialist!

[Swing Voter 1]

Simon wants to leave no evidence of his defeats on this board.  He is trying to recover some credibility. 

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He never lost it to most people, just in the rose tinted eyes of you right wing nuts.

[simonvallee 0]

Defeat? I'm sorry, but you did nothing but accuse me of things I never did. Using the "search" function will clearly show you that I never accused anyone of being homophobe, racist or a "nut-job". The only times these terms have ever been in my posts were when I quoted or paraphrased mantis... oh and one time I did call someone a racist, it was Hitler.

And I'm sorry I thought that you two would have the decency to refrain from partisan insults on such a thread. But you find nothing better on what is supposed to be a neutral thread than to say that Layton is "dangerous" and would be "disastrous" for Canada, same accusations for me toward Harper would probably have you whining about the "lib-left's intolerance" or hatred, and etc... My first message was a challenge, a test, to mantis, who had been denouncing a perceived attitude amongst left-wingers who, supposedly, constantly insulted right-wingers, to denounce HRC's message which was offensive to all new democrats. I did say that his "credibility was on the line" or something to that effect. He afterwards attacked me, throwing baseless affirmations as you can still see.

This died down, and Pellaken asking us to leave this thread for results and discussion of those seemed to have convinced us to leave it for it. Then, recently, HRC just jumped on the occasion to bring back unjustified insults against me thrown by mantis. I hoped that common sense would triumph and asked every one of us to *blank* our previous posts that are irrelevant to the subject, an initiative that got me only more insults from mantis and HRC, including a comparison to Stalin.

Will they ever be able to leave their partisanship behind and respect left-wing participants?

[Hardrightconservative 5]

Will you ever be able to leave your partisanship behind and respect right-wing participants?

[simonvallee 0]

I already do, I respect all those who respect me. Unfortunately for you and mantis, you don't fall into that category.

[mantis 1]

I already do, I respect all those who respect me. Unfortunately for you and mantis, you don't fall into that category.

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Simon, given that I CREATED THIS THREAD, I know what it was intended for. Read back through the posts (oops - you cleared yours) and you will see that it was neither HRC nor I who pushed this off topic.

[simonvallee 0]

You did by insulting the NDP and Layton.

[mantis 1]

You did by insulting the NDP and Layton.

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Uh Simon, all I did was make this comment ABOUT THE RESULTS OF ONE OF MY BEST MP4EVER GAMES:

The only disappointment was that Smirking Jack hung on against Mills to take the only NDP seat in Ontario.

I was talking about the damned game for crying out loud!

[simonvallee 0]

Here for you HRC's message afterwards that you seemed to "forget":

Jack Layton is a dangerous man!  Luckily for us he will never amount to anything just another left-wing bagpipe screetching out noisy garbage! 

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And here is your reply complimenting him on another insult on a left-winger.

Great image, Hardright! 

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Then I asked you to denounce HardRight for his lack of respect towards Layton, and then you insulted me with the usual.

Just for the record, by "you", I meant you and HRC, too bad that English doesn't have a difference between singular "you" and plural "you".

[Hardrightconservative 5]

QUOTE(Hardrightconservative @ Nov 30 2004, 11:21 PM)

Jack Layton is a dangerous man! Luckily for us he will never amount to anything just another left-wing bagpipe screetching out noisy garbage!

I was just stating my opinion Simon. When I met him he seemed like a nice enough guy but his views are very dangerous. You have blasted the integrity of Stockwell Day who happens to be in my opinion a great man and I did not ask for an apology. I hold no ill will towards you Simon and truth be told, I respect your views and very much appreciate the work you have done in scenario creation, helping others with scenario creation and making a stellar Quebec scenario. All you have done is insulted me by stating that I have no credibility or integrity and stating that you do not respect me. I'm sorry that your hate and intolerance have blinded you to this extreme extent!

[simonvallee 0]

You have blasted the integrity of Stockwell Day who happens to be in my opinion a great man and I did not ask for an apology.

I didn't do that, but I did say that he used his religious views to decide his social policies when you claimed he didn't. And I've never started insulting people the way you did against Layton.

All you have done is insulted me by stating that I have no credibility or integrity and stating that you do not respect me.

In this thread, I have merely said that mantis' credibility depended on his denouncing the unfair attack against Layton that you initiated, since he was very keen to denounce any left-winger who had the audacity to say anything negative against a right-winger. So, if he was not utterly partisan, he should at least admit that your message was irrespectful for Layton and for those who voted for him. Rather than that, he supported your insult and attacked me on baseless affirmations.

Elsewhere on this forum, I have insulted you only in reprisal to insults against me or to all people on the left. I respect people by default, but I don't respect people who don't respect me. As much as I would like to have intelligent debates with you and mantis, you both always attack me personally, or all left-wingers, when a discussion starts.

I'm sorry that your hate and intolerance have blinded you to this extreme extent!

And I had been starting to wonder if you had started actually respecting me for once. It seems that you were quick to kill that small hope.

[Hardrightconservative 5]

I do respect you Simon and your views. The impersonal nature of posting takes the human element out of debating and stating ones opinions. I do enjoy you being on this board and I appreciate the conversations we engage in but don't take everything so personally.

[mantis 1]

Here for you HRC's message afterwards that you seemed to "forget":

And here is your reply complimenting him on another insult on a left-winger.

Then I asked you to denounce HardRight for his lack of respect towards Layton, and then you insulted me with the usual.

Just for the record, by "you", I meant you and HRC, too bad that English doesn't have a difference between singular "you" and plural "you".

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And what were those remarks said in response to, Simon? You conveniently erased your posts.

[simonvallee 0]

Since you quoted my posts in yours, I did not "conveniently" erase them, I can still see all of them. I "blanked" them to try to save this thread from this discussion, it was a gesture of good will. Here is the post you're talking about:

Okay Mantis, you like denouncing the "lib-left" for their insults and intolerance, then preach by example, denounce Hard Right for his insulting Jack, for making gross and insulting generalizations about the left. I'm waiting, your credibility is on the line.

I admit it was a bit more aggressive than I wanted, still it was a challenge that you merely responded with baseless accusations against me (use the search function, the only one I called either a nut-job, a racist or an homophobe was Hitler, while I'm supposed to be "constantly" doing it).

[Tyking 0]

You did by insulting the NDP and Layton.

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Sieg heil! No insulting der fuhrer Layton! He is our overlord and must be respected and worshipped by ALL!

[Myke 1]

Not that that's horribly offensive to jews or anything.

I mean, it's one thing to say nasty things about Jack Layton... It's another thing completely to compare him to Hitler.

[mantis 1]

Not that that's horribly offensive to jews or anything.

I mean, it's one thing to say nasty things about Jack Layton... It's another thing completely to compare him to Hitler.

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You'd have more credibility in that outrage if you were as forceful in denouncing leftists who attempt to tar conservatives as Nazis. There are plenty of examples of that on this forum.

[simonvallee 0]

The nazi analogy, congratulations on hitting the bottom of the barrel. As if demanding a little respect, or at least not throwing insults around, around here was too much for certain individuals.

You'd have more credibility in that outrage if you were as forceful in denouncing leftists who attempt to tar conservatives as Nazis. There are plenty of examples of that on this forum.

Please do show us such an example if there are really "plenty" of them. Except Vegeta who doesn't let go Winchestor for defending those who voted nazis in a poll, the only other example was HRC saying that socialists and nazis were the same, he was sensible enough to apologize though.

[Myke 1]

And you immediately assume I was trying to impress you because...?

I don't agree with accusations of nazism made against anyone, except for nazis, of course.

[Tyking 0]

I wasn't comparing him to Hitler or calling him a nazi.

I'm talking about this strange idea that Jack Layton is somehow untouchable, a universally respected statesman about whom no ill can be spoken or else you're a "far-rightist" or something along that road.

Sigh. How could he POSSIBLY be compared to a nazi?

It's strange with these things - people jump on the slightest opportunity to say that someone is comparing a person to Hitler or calling them a Nazi - because it's an indefensible accusation that essentially eliminates someone's credibility.

Oh, and don't forget anti-semitism - it's the same tool used by people and even easier to use - you don't even have to mention judaism to be an anti-semite now. It's insane.

[simonvallee 0]

Layton isn't untouchable, but there's reasonable, and unreasonable criticism. Saying you think his policies are disconnected and too idealist, and saying he's a "dangerous man", and saying his arguments are crap, especially from people who have denounced everyone who said anything even slightly negative about Stockwell Day or Harper is simply ridiculous and unacceptable. I think it's more the hypocrisy of always accusing the left of intolerance and hatred then, unprompted, vomitting such insults that got to me.

[mantis 1]

I'm talking about this strange idea that Jack Layton is somehow untouchable, a universally respected statesman about whom no ill can be spoken or else you're a "far-rightist" or something along that road.

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You've got that much right - most people see Jack Layton as some sort of sleazy used car salesman - the type you'd expect to be running around in a plaid jacket and white leather shoes. He comes across that way to me.