Taft Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Alright. I'm going to start trying to put together a 1972 scenario (since it's a tangled-up mess), and I'd like some assistance. As far as candidates go, we have the following: Major Candidates: -George McGovern: The eventual winner; he had strength in caucuses where his people would pack the room. -George Wallace: Ran an amazing primary campaign until he was shot. I think he would have won if not for this (or at least managed to block McGovern in a floor fight), personally, but that's just me. The fact that he piled up a bunch of votes in CA, where he wasn't on the ballot, and in NM, where he got over 20%, following the shooting shows this. -Hubert Humphrey: Former Veep. Did well in a few states, but largely ran a "non-campaign." -Ed Muskie: Former VP candidate for Humphrey. Was the initial frontrunner. Cried at a bad moment. Won a bunch of early contests, but stalled out after being embarassed by a lousy showing in NH. "Second Tier" candidates: -Henry "Scoop" Jackson: Hawkish Senator from Washington State. Won a few early contests (OK and SC were rather early), but ended up going nowhere. -Shirley Chisholm: Only contested two primaries (and a few caucuses). First black woman to (seriously) run for a major party ticket's nomination. -John Lindsay: Mayor of New York City. Didn't win any states; largely a NY favorite son, IIRC. -Wilbur Mills: Longtime AR Congressman, Chair of the House Ways and Means Committee, and de facto AR favorite son. -Eugene McCarthy: Failed '68 candidate; really didn't go anywhere, but ran strong in IL courtesy of being Muskie's only opponent there. -Fred Harris: Senator from Oklahoma; popular with the party's left-wing base. -Harold Hughes: Left-wing governor of Iowa. Trivia piece: Iowans were once polled as wanting Hughes and George Wallace on a ticket together. -Walter Fauntroy: DC favorite son; DC wasn't particularly contested, except by a pair of favorite sons (the other, I believe, being Walter Washington). Might just be easier to remove DC b/c of this. A couple of notes: 1) Ballot access ain't universal. I'll come up with a list of who-fought-who-where with a visit to the local library, but I know, for example, that Wallace wasn't on the ballot in CA (though he ran up 7.5% in write-ins in spite of being effectively out of the race then), while Chisholm only contested two later primaries (NJ, which she won, and MS if it had a primary), and McCarthy was (as I recall) Muskie's only opponent in IL. 2) Early victories didn't necessarily cause a big momentum pickup; still, a few contested wins flipping against McGovern would probably have put him in a bad place. 3) Lots of contests were later in the process. NH was in March; you didn't have many contests until late April and May. 4) For the sake of the game, it may be better to dump "loose caucuses" (ie non-primary and non-Iowa states) at the end (and all in one swoop) because of the nature of caucuses at that time. Resource: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Agora/8088/Dem1972.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. November Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Well, Mills wasn't the Governor of AR, but like a 16 or 17 term incumbent congressman and Chair of House Ways & Means, so I'd set his Experience value at 5, and everything else no higher than 2 except perhaps issue familiarity. He tried to get a national campaign going but it never really got off the ground, so "favorite son" may not be an entirely accurate description, but it's basically what he became. Also had a very far-left position on Social Security for it's time. I'm glad someone is doing this though, should be a barn-burner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taft Posted October 18, 2006 Author Share Posted October 18, 2006 Noted about Mills. I'm also going to slip Ted Kennedy in there as well, as a prominent candidate who didn't run, and not bother with DC and Fauntroy. Attribute listing time... McGovern: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 3 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 1 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $500,000 How established party: 5 Wallace: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 2 Experience: 4 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 4 Stamina: 4 Debating: 3 Cash: $1,000,000 How established party: 5 Humphrey: Leadership: 4 Integrity: 3 Experience: 4 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $1,500,000 How established party: 5 Jackson: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 3 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 4 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $1,000,000 How established party: 5 Chisholm: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 3 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $250,000 How established party: 5 Lindsay: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 2 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $500,000 How established party: 5 Mills: Leadership: 2 Integrity: 2 Experience: 5 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $250,000 How established party: 5 Kennedy: Leadership: 4 Integrity: 2 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 4 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $2,000,000 How established party: 5 McCarthy: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 2 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 2 Stamina: 3 Debating: 2 Cash: $250,000 How established party: 5 Fred Harris: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 3 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 3 Cash: $250,000 How established party: 5 Harold Hughes: Leadership: 3 Integrity: 3 Experience: 3 Issue Familiarity: 3 Charisma: 3 Stamina: 3 Debating: 2 Cash: $100,000 How established party: 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prarie_agitator Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Sen. Harold Hughes of Iowa was a favorite son type candidate that withdrew very early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prarie_agitator Posted October 18, 2006 Share Posted October 18, 2006 Also, don't forget that Nixon had two primary challengers, Pete McCloskey and John Ashbrook. http://www.4president.org/ocmi1972.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewers Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Another Democratic contender in 1972 was formar Oklahoma Senator Fred Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taft Posted October 20, 2006 Author Share Posted October 20, 2006 1) I wasn't planning to worry about the GOP side, at least until the general election stuff gets hammered out. 2) Good call on Hughes and Harris; I'd thought Harris was a strictly '76 candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewers Posted October 20, 2006 Share Posted October 20, 2006 1) I wasn't planning to worry about the GOP side, at least until the general election stuff gets hammered out.2) Good call on Hughes and Harris; I'd thought Harris was a strictly '76 candidate. Actually you are right. I got '72 and '76 mixed up. Scratch Harris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokbubble2 Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Might want to put ol' Wilbur's integrity to 1. My girlfriend has a "Yea Wilbur!" sticker on her cars, so Id love to run his campaign. Him and Fred Harris were entertaining man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hcallega Posted November 9, 2006 Share Posted November 9, 2006 I was wondering when you think the scenario will be completed, and where i could find it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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