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So the next step would be parties. Should they go on actually political lines (liberal, conservative) or should we go by religous lines? Assuredly their will be a Kurdish Party, a Wahhabi Party, and probably an anti-Union Party. But as for the main ones, I'm still not sure...

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So the next step would be parties. Should they go on actually political lines (liberal, conservative) or should we go by religous lines? Assuredly their will be a Kurdish Party, a Wahhabi Party, and probably an anti-Union Party. But as for the main ones, I'm still not sure...

For that reason (possibly many parties), I'd go with either PM4EUK or C4E. C4E would be cool, especially since PR could give you an awesome division in Parliament.

Also, I'd favor the United Islamic Republic thing, so that Turkey (say it's shut out by the EU) and Iran can take part.

Lookin' forward to it.

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For that reason (possibly many parties), I'd go with either PM4EUK or C4E. C4E would be cool, especially since PR could give you an awesome division in Parliament.

Also, I'd favor the United Islamic Republic thing, so that Turkey (say it's shut out by the EU) and Iran can take part.

Lookin' forward to it.

Would you say Liberal/Conservative parties or religous based parties?

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Would you say Liberal/Conservative parties or religous based parties?

Why not a little of both?

Canada has the Grits and the CPC, but also the CHP. Could be the same: secular libs and cons, but much stronger religious factions in addition.

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Why not a little of both?

Canada has the Grits and the CPC, but also the CHP. Could be the same: secular libs and cons, but much stronger religious factions in addition.

Hmm, I thin I'll go with that.

So I'll do it in PM4E. Now I just need to some how think of acurate numbers for countries. And somehow ridings. And candidates. :blink:

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Hmm, I thin I'll go with that.

So I'll do it in PM4E. Now I just need to some how think of acurate numbers for countries. And somehow ridings. And candidates. :blink:

For the candidates (other than the leaders), you could just give them the party names and set different strengths.

EX:

(Riding Name)

Liberal Party - 2 stars

Conservative Party - 3 stars

Religious Faction - 2 stars

Could save ya some time. As for ridings, you could just do different regions (EX: Kurdistan, Southern Iran, Eastern Turkey, etc.) or just fuse some of the provinces together into mega-provinces.

Why not do it in C4E? With PR, you could actually probably make less ridings but have a bigger Parliament. Unless there's a party limit in C4E that I don't know about. But, it's your scenario, so do as you please.

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For the candidates (other than the leaders), you could just give them the party names and set different strengths.

EX:

(Riding Name)

Liberal Party - 2 stars

Conservative Party - 3 stars

Religious Faction - 2 stars

Could save ya some time. As for ridings, you could just do different regions (EX: Kurdistan, Southern Iran, Eastern Turkey, etc.) or just fuse some of the provinces together into mega-provinces.

Why not do it in C4E? With PR, you could actually probably make less ridings but have a bigger Parliament. Unless there's a party limit in C4E that I don't know about. But, it's your scenario, so do as you please.

I was only going to do it in PM4E because I wasn't sure how the C4E model worked, but I'll check it out to see if I can figure it out.

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Your best bet would be for a Libya - Egypt - Syria one, with Sudan & Tunisia thrown in at a pinch.

The three did have a limited form of unity in the 1970s as the United Arab Republic, albeit this was more for military & economic bargaining purposes than a full union - Gadaffi was keener on it that Sadat or the Syrians, & that slowly fell apart when the latter two triggered the Yom Kippur War without bothering to tell the Libyans about it (which proved fortuitous, since after their early success, tactical howlers resulted in the Egyptians coming damned close to seeing the Israeli army capture Cairo).

There are strong Libyan - Egyptian economic ties, they co-own a third each of a massive oil refinery in Alexandria (the other third is owned by the Israelis, but that's another story!), & despite the occasional growls, they are on pretty good terms. However both have strong histories as nations (Egypt - as the cradle of one of the first great civilisations around the Nile Delta - goes without saying, and Libya was once the "bread basket" of the Roman Empire, with Leptis Magna the second most important city of the empire), so "unity" would be at best along the lines of the European Union, retaining their independence for most matters.

Iran cannot be realistically put in - the Persians are up there with the Turks as hated Imperialists that subjugated the Arabs for centuries (one of the reasons Gadaffi fell out with the rest of the Arabs in the 1980s was for arming Iran in its war against Arab Iraq - but then as Iraq was training Libyan terrorists on the behest of the CIA, you could hardly blame him!).

For the record, you could use these parties:

Egypt

National Democratic Party (founded by Anwar Sadat - the biggest by a mile)

Neo Wafd Party (Islamic)

Labour Party (Islamic, wishes union with Libya & Sudan)

Al-Ghad (The Tomorrow Party - liberal)

Arab Democratic Nassarist Party (what it says on the tin : Socialist)

Tagamora Party (National Progressive Unionist Party : the biggest of the left wing parties, secular socialist)

Arab Green Party (all three nations have one)

illegal Muslim Brotherhood - plenty of their members however are in parliament under various flags of convenience or as "independents". They exist in all three nations, & have loads of members through various flags of convenience - one being Hamas, the current governing party in Palestine.

Syria

Arab Socialist Baa'th Party : Combining Arab nationalism with socialism.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4f/Baathparty.JPG

Socialist Unionists (Nassarist party)

Arab Socialist Union (once present in Egypt, Libya & Syria, now only in the latter. Nassarist)

Communist Party (two factions)

Syrian Social Nationalist Party (Arab fascist party, biggest party outside of the Baa'th Party)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/t...d5/Ssnpflag.gif

illegal Reform Party - pro-democracy, liberal-conservative.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5...yria_reform.jpg

Libya

Er...bit of a problem here - they've been banned in Libya since 1952, long before Gadaffi took over! The whole lot. Even the government are not members of any parties.

Gadaffi blamed parties for creating self-seeking factions & destroying national unity, so they're a no-no (he even refuses to let himself be called the nation's leader!). They did try elections at local authority level once, but as no one could stand for a party platform, it was pretty difficult to run any sort of campaign, interest thus proved to be nil outside of the families & extended families of the candidates involved, & the whole thing proved a big waste of ballot papers. That was the end of that, & the nation remains run in a manner akin to France under Robespierre, in theory run from the bottom up, in reality from the top down (partly from fear, but also from an alarming political apathy. Gadaffi's spending of most of the nation's oil money on feather-bedding the population helped kill any form of politics as much as his secret police have. Gadaffi himself has belatedly realised in doing so he's created a system that risks total collapse if he dies - as seen in his trace "Once Again A Call To Form A Party" in his book Escape To Hell, though steps to rectify this remain woefully slow. Gadaffi himself appears utterly fed up with politics & would love to chuck it in & retire - but rubbing the rest of Arabia's noses in it over the success of Libya's Man Made River project & drives towards becoming self-sufficient in growing their own food remains too much fun.

If Libya had a party to represent Gadaffi & his supporters, it would have to be the Arab Socialist People's Party, as the nation is known officially as the "Libyan Arab Socialist People's State Of The Masses"!

Outside of this, there are the following, which show just how bad politics are with Libyans...

illegal Libyan Constitutional Union - broad church wishing Libya to become a constitutional monarchy. They idolise the late King Idris...forgetting of course that the nation was just as nasty, brutal & despotic when he was running the shop despite having a written constitution!

http://www.libyanconstitutionalunion.net/i...CUbnnrCrpd1.jpg

Libyan Democrats - wishing a democratic secular government in Libya. Not very active, more "awaiting events"

http://ldsly.bravehost.com/ldslylogo.bmp

National Front for the Salvation of Libya, aka the NFSL - the major opposition group, if anyone could be described as such. Wishes democracic free elections. However, their history of US-government funded terrorism & links to Islamic groups does not endere them to many within Libya.

http://www.nfsl-libya.com/Images/NFSL.jpg

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