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Well, it's obvious some of you like Alternate History. Anyone come up with any interesting scenarios? Create any timelines of what would/could have happened in your "What If..." scenario?

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I am creating one in which the United States conquers Canada and one in which Canada conquers the U.S. (highly unlikely :) ) Electoral votes will be added to each Canadian province and both scenarios will keep the Electoral college in place only the Canadian conquering U.S. one will have Canadian parties. :wacko:

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Interesting idea. When is this going to be set? i.e. when did the war between the US/Canada happen and is this an election now?

I wrote up a little Alt. History timeline about a Gore Presidency...

http://alt2000gore.blogspot.com/

I posted a small chunk of it there...if people are interested...I can finish up 2001 and into 2002....

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MattyN,

Interesting scenario. You stopped before 9/2001 did 9/11 still happen in your Alt. History?

One interesting point from my (CSA Victorious) Alt. History is that the CSA Indpendence Day is... September 11, 1863 (when the Artlicles of Capitulation were signed by President Hamlin after Lincoln was impeached on 6 articles :P ) and then 9/11/01 occurred so I changed the city to Charlotte (or maybe Atlanta) Stock Exchange building (the tallest in the CSA) where 2 planes slammed into it. A band of Terrorists in the CSA, the Sons of the Union (who want the CSA to be reunited w/the North) claim responsibility for the attack - the shaky armistice after the 3rd Great War is still holding but then after another attack the CS & US go to war in the Confederate/American War 2002-2008. :(

If anybody cares to see I have much stuff on the Alt Hist.

-Creighton

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That would be interesting. I did actually continue the scenario until April of 2002. September 11th does happen, as does another attack that I feel would have been more prevented under Bush, not because of his policies, but the mentality of the nation. I can post more if people are interested.

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September - December 2001 has been posted.

Problem is...I can't figure out how to use Blogger as well as I did initially, so it isn't formatted as well as before <_<

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MattyN, I enjoyed reading that fictional (thankfully! :D ) account of a Gore Presidency. With regards to the Canada/US scenario, they will be based in 2004! Perhaps not an invasion - just a simple economic takeover. The Canadians voted in a referendum to join the United States. The Canadian takeover will simply consist of Canada and Europe ganging up on the U.S. (They easily conquer the U.S. due to their electing Democrat presidents who essentially wreck the United States with their Socialist policies and weak leadership :( ) Canadian leaders and political parties take the helm. (i.e. The easiest way to wreck American hegemony and power is to elect a Democrat!)

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Well it wasn't confusion to the North.

1803 - Senator Plumer (New Hampshire) - The Eastern States must and will dissolve the Union and form a separate government of their own; and the sooner they do this, the better."

Senator Pickering (Massachusetts) - I rather anticipate a new Confederacy exempt from the corrupt influence of the aristocratic Democrats of the South ... There will be a seperation ... The British provinces (of Canada), even with the consent of Great Britian, will becoming members of the Northern Confederacy."

The 1814 Hartford Convention wanted New England to Secede from the Union.

1845 - John Q. Adams opposed the admission of Texas that they urged the secession of the New England States.

So no, not too confusing! :P

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I had actually come up with an Alternat timeline at one point where Socialism arose in the US after WWI, due to the massive economic slump starting with Farmers before the Great Depression. In that scenario, a few states did secede from the Union, creating the Soviet American States...didn't quite have elections there...I think I also had a random secession of North/South Dakota...it didn't make much sense, but the rise of socialism seemed like a plausible idea...

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MattyN,

Yes that sounds entirely plausible. I know from Mr. Turtledove's viewpoint he certainly thinks it could've happened.

Here is an alternate 1972 election where George Wallace didn't get shot and won the election: http://users.metro2000.net/~stabbott/AHpresidentwallace.htm

This is my timeline to back it up:

The Alternate George Wallace Timeline By Creighton Lovelace © 2001

Aug. 25, 1919: Born in Clio in southeast Alabama.

1946: Elected to Alabama House of Representatives.

1953: Elected circuit judge for Barbour County, where he earned the nickname "The Fighting Little Judge" for battling federal authorities over voting records.

1956: Desegregation occurs at University of Alabama.

1958: Elected Governor for his first term with a 64% popular vote.

1962: Since he could not succeed himself according to Alabama’s State Constitution he asked his wife, Lurleen, to campaign for governor in his stead. She lost to John Patterson who vowed “Segregation Today, Segregation Tomorrow, and Segregation Forever!” The blatant cries of segregation caused moderate Alabamians to feel alienated.

1963: Wallace organizes the Stand Up For America Foundation (SUFAF) that calls upon “…freedom loving Americans to take back the government and preserve states rights." After one year of existence, SUFAF boasts of a membership of over 500,000, many of who are in the North.

1964: Campaigns for President in 9 Democratic primaries (states where SUFAF has a large membership) and garners 4.3% of the vote.

1965: The SUFAF publishes the famous Anti-War Petition that is eventually signed by 1.3 million Americans. The Wallace Record starts publication in August.

1966: Elected Governor for a second term.

1967: Lurleen Wallace elected President of SUFAF

1968: George Wallace becomes the American Independent Party presidential candidate. SUFAF holds an election (Lurleen not able to vote as an ex-officio) to determine whom the 1.7 million-member organization will endorse as President. The vote is 321 delegates for George Wallace and 3 delegates for Richard Nixon. With SUFAF backing him, Wallace is enabled to use the ‘Stand Up For America’ slogan. In June, one month after SUFAF endorses her husband, President (Lurleen) Wallace dies. SUFAF Vice-President, John Williams becomes President. Williams, at first continues the Wallace endorsement, then in July asks for another election for the Presidential endorsee. This time the vote is tied at 162 for Wallace and Nixon. Williams as Chair casts the tiebreaker for Nixon.

With this cataclysmic action Wallace is forced to the U.S. Supreme Court in Case 142: The SUFAF Verses Governor George C. Wallace over copyright infringement. The case is dismissed with the ruling that Wallace copyrighted the slogan in 1963. In August the SUFAF revokes the Nixon Presidential endorsement due to bribery. Williams resigns as president and a week later an elected Board of Trustees takes over management of the SUFAF. After a quick investigation, the Board learns that Williams embezzled money to bribe over 100 delegates. Immediately Williams is found guilty of embezzlement and is arrested. Due to the recent endorsee vote and arrestment, SUFAF begins to splinter and mud slinging ensues. The Board of Trustees calls for the dissolution of the organization and thus with financial support cut to a minimum it eventually is considered to be a major blow to the Wallace campaign in the North. But Wallace continues to lead in most polls. Then in October, he chooses General Curtis LeMay as his Vice-Presidential running mate. LeMay is an outspoken candidate of nuclear weaponry. This move, considered by many, is considered to be the one that cost him the election. In November, Wallace halts publication of The Wallace Record.

1969: The Alabama Legislature votes the Right of Government Succession Bill into law thus enabling Wallace to run as an incumbent.

1970: Wallace is re-elected to a Third term as Alabama’s governor

1972: Wallace runs in the primaries as a Democrat and calls upon his old SUFAF contacts to help gain momentum across the country. Wallace wins by a landslide in Florida, taking every county. In early May he catches the Flu and cannot make it to campaign in Maryland, one of his former SUFAF strongholds, and rests confidant that he will win there (which he does) and while battling the Flu, he starts the re-publication of The Wallace Record for his supporters and at the last minute changes the name to The Wallace Stand. In July, authorities arrest Arthur Bremer for conspiring to assassinate the President; Nixon then orders Secret Service protection around all candidates. On July 7 at the Democratic National Convention in Miami, Wallace wins the nomination by 44% soundly defeating George McGovern and the race between Governor George C. Wallace and President Richard Nixon begin. In November, George Wallace becomes the 38th President of the United States.

1973: Wallace launches his “Victory in Vietnam” campaign and in August of that year the US wins against the Viet Cong. Wallace’s popularity skyrockets in the polls.

1974: Due to lack of private funds Wallace again halts his publication.

1976: President Wallace ineligible for a second term due to a recent Constitutional Amendment, which states that the president can now serve only one term, moves back to Montgomery, Alabama in 1977 after the inauguration of the 39th President: Republican, Gerald Ford who soundly defeated Wallace’s former Vice President: James “Jimmy” Carter of Georgia.

1977: Wallace returns to his beloved Alabama where he receives a hero’s welcome. He organizes with the help of his children, The Wallace Foundation and starts to re-publish The Wallace Stand. With another large support base growing he announces that he will run again for the governorship in the next election.

1978: Wallace defeats Republican contender, Guy Hunt and becomes Governor for an unprecedented fourth term.

1981: The Wallace Foundation creates the Wallace Presidential Library and Museum.

1982: Wallace is elected to his fifth term as Governor

1986: Governor Wallace is re-elected to his sixth and final term as Alabama’s Chief Executive. Wallace is the only man from Alabama to serve as President.

1989: Wallace resigns as Governor on Jan. 20 and is appointed as United States Secretary of State under President George Bush from 1989 to 1993. His roles as secretary included negotiations to settle disputes between warring sides in Bosnia and urging support of the Coalition against Iraq during Operation Desert Storm.

1991: Secretary Wallace heads a commission that investigates the use of force by rioting gangs, led by Rodney G. King, in Los Angeles. King states that the Los Angeles police discriminate against minorities. The investigation follows an incident in which black rioters and gang members, led by Rodney G. King beat an off-duty white Los Angeles police officer who was forcibly stopped after being pursued by gang members.

1993: George Wallace retires from political life and is treated to an Honorary Banquet in recognition of his service to the country.

1994: Newspapers break with the story that Wallace has been ordained as a Methodist Minister in Montgomery, Alabama. He delivers a nationally televised sermon: Beyond Borders at the National Cathedral in memory of his late adversary in the election and the former President Richard M. Nixon.

September 3, 2001: George C. Wallace: 6-term Governor of Alabama, 38th President of the United States, Secretary of State, and Methodist Minister dies at the age of 82 in Montgomery, Alabama in his sleep.

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mguy77,

Thanky. Nice to hear from a fellow Southron. I trust the 'Heart of Dixie' is well today. (I wish we'd change our State nickname: The Old North State) ::shivers:: :D But we're the Northern portion of the former Carolina. Anyway, the Old North State salutes you. Thank you for the compliment.

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Idea: Confederacy existed to this day, most current Presidential election takes place. Speculate who the candidates would be, the parties, etc.

My Thoughts: Democratic Party, (of course that doesn't die) - Zell Miller

Reform Party - The party of Perot may exist in the Confederacy...

Other thoughts?

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Idea: Confederacy existed to this day, most current Presidential election takes place.  Speculate who the candidates would be, the parties, etc.

My Thoughts: Democratic Party, (of course that doesn't die) - Zell Miller

Reform Party - The party of Perot may exist in the Confederacy...

Other thoughts?

Many good men will be available for the Confederacy's Executive branch. Even Bill Clinton but he's gonna be William Clinton Davis and a real Bible believing Baptist not a BINO (Baptist In Name Only) ;)

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Hmm, very interesting, very cool :D Theodore Roosevelt, though? That doesn't seem to square with me...he was from Montana? then in real life became the Governor of New York, correct?

Also, do you think the Confederacy would have grown in size? i.e. the admission of additional states, etc?

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Ahh, I'm glad you asked about Teddy. He was born in NY. His mother was a Southerner. So if the South won and he had family down South. After his father died, I had him and his kinfolk move to Georgia. He is eligible under the CSA Constitution to run for president under ART. II, SECT. 1.7

In the British-American War of the 1880s he leads the Savannah Grays and becomes a hero! :)

Yes, in my timeline the South in conjunction with the British invaded the Western half of the US after the folks in "Kanawha" (west[ern] virginia) revolted, nullifying the Armistice in early 1863.

The Mormons invade Nevada and Northern California and est. the Rep. of Deseret, I did this to give them there own seaport corridor. The CSA takes Kansas, New Mex, Arizona, Colorado (sliver and some gold) and the Southern half of California.

This is all from my scenario. I'll post the portion of my timeline I have finished if anybody's interested.

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