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http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/2004...20041015b.shtml

Ex-Homosexuals Feel Insulted by Kerry's 'Born Gay' Comment

(CNSNews.com) - Sen. John Kerry's declaration Wednesday that homosexuals don't have a choice about their sexual orientation has enraged individuals who identify themselves as "ex-gays."

In response to a question at the third presidential debate, Kerry made reference to Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, Mary. Kerry said she was "being who she was born as." His response angered Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, as well as ex-homosexuals.

"Senator Kerry, in his answer, basically invalidated me as a person," said Jeralee Smith, a self-proclaimed former lesbian who runs a support group for "ex-gay" educators. "I have experienced significant change in my sexual orientation and my feelings."

Kerry's comment came in response to a question moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS News directed at President Bush. Schieffer asked, "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?"

Bush told Schieffer he didn't know. But when Schieffer turned to Kerry, the Massachusetts senator immediately brought up Mary Cheney as evidence that homosexuals are born that way.

"I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as," Kerry said. "I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it."

Ex-homosexuals told CNSNews.com that Kerry obviously didn't have a grasp of the issue. Even though some research has pointed the possibility of a "gay gene," other scientific studies have shown that environmental factors are equally responsible for a person's sexual orientation.

Shortly after Kerry made the remark Wednesday, reaction started pouring into Warren Throckmorton, a professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania. Throckmorton said ex-homosexuals expressed outrage to him about Kerry's comment.

"Kerry's views, unfortunately, present a view of homosexuality that science does not support," Throckmorton said. "Bush, wisely, has reserved judgment and his views are closer to where science has progressed to at this point. I'm concerned that Kerry misled the country."

Throckmorton, considered an authority on sexual orientation, recently released his own documentary, "I Do Exist," which chronicles the lives of ex-homosexuals.

"If people are born gay and they're being who they are, then what about all these ex-gays?" he asked. "What about all the people on my film, 'I Do Exist,' who once believed they were born gay, but through a process of change and reflection, now are attracted exclusively to the opposite sex."

One of the people who contacted Throckmorton was Chad Thompson, 25, of Des Moines, Iowa, who described himself to CNSNews.com as someone who was confused about his sexuality as a teenager. Thompson runs a group called Inqueery, which helps ex-homosexuals in schools.

"It sounds like John Kerry is saying that I don't exist," Thompson said. "I certainly wouldn't want someone representing me who isn't even willing to acknowledge that I'm here."

Thompson added: "I wasn't surprised by the position that he took. But the way in which he stated it really was an insult to the tens of thousands of people that have struggled with homosexual orientation and have chosen to come out on the other side."

A spokesman for the Kerry campaign didn't return a message Thursday. The Human Rights Campaign, a homosexual activist group supporting Kerry, released a statement Wednesday accusing Bush of putting "politics ahead of the science" on the homosexual choice question.

Some ex-homosexuals wish Bush knew more about them so he could have given a more definitive answer at the debate. One such person is Alan Chambers, executive director of Exodus International, a Christian ministry that counsels homosexuals.

In his personal capacity, Chambers, a former homosexual, supports Bush. In a letter he drafted to the president, Chambers said he was proud of Bush's leadership, but he wanted him to better understand the issue and get to know ex-homosexuals.

"We all have a choice to do what is best, and with regard to acting on my homosexual feelings and inclinations, I did not choose God's best for me or for society when I chose to act upon them," Chambers wrote. "However, I did finally choose to live beyond those feelings and today I am not a homosexual nor am I tempted to be one."

Exodus International plans to make a public pitch Friday, said Randy Thomas, the ministry's communications director. Thomas, also an ex-homosexual, said he was personally offended by Kerry's comments, but not necessarily surprised.

"There is absolutely zero scientific evidence that would suggest people are born gay," Thomas said. "It's a simplistic answer that will pander to people that he is winking at when he says he is not for gay marriage. But in reality, he promotes rhetoric that is straight out of a gay activist brochure."

Kerry's answer aside, ex-homosexuals had praise for Schieffer for merely asking the question in the fashion he did.

"Just the fact that the question was asked was incredible," said Smith, a teacher from Grand Terrace, Calif. "It is indicative of the progress we've made as a movement."

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<_< Who cares!?? HRC, Veg nailed it. Who is it hurting if gays adopt? No one. This is why my web name is what it is. Republicans are too busy telling people how to live, and Democrats are too busy telling people what to think and do with their money.
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hard right the point wasn't whether homosexuality was a choice or not the point is who is this hurting and the easy answer is nobody.

and i could give u quotes from thousands of gays saying they didn't choose the life they live (i mean who chooses i life of insults, violence, i mean would u choose a life where u couldn't even marry the person u love)

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hard right the point wasn't whether homosexuality was a choice or not the point is who is this hurting and the easy answer is nobody.

and i could give u quotes from thousands of gays saying they didn't choose the life they live (i mean who chooses i life of insults, violence, i mean would u choose a life where u couldn't even marry the person u love)

They can do what they want as long as they don't try to change the laws of this country! THAT IS THE POINT! :angry:

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:( He's not going to talk about it Veg. Deep in his brain somewhere there is this feeling that if homosexuals hold hands or kiss in front of his family, it could somehow make his children or future children or whatever think that that is normal. And HRC does not believe it's normal or OK, but sinful(dun dun duuu). Gayness will spread everywhere and no one will be safe from it! Human life will cease to exist b/c there will be no straight people left;except for the HRC and his wife which we'll lock up in a zoo like Chinese pandas to create more and more gays! :D
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if the laws are hurting them and do not effect the rest of us who cares if two gay people get married my life isn't effected and if two people wanna adopt a child that isn't hurting anybody

Its undermining our society and its Christian values! We are not going to agree on this SSVegeta123243, so we will simply just have to tolerate eachothers opinions. :)

What about non-christians?

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http://www.townhall.com/news/politics/2004...20041015b.shtml

Ex-Homosexuals Feel Insulted by Kerry's 'Born Gay' Comment

(CNSNews.com) - Sen. John Kerry's declaration Wednesday that homosexuals don't have a choice about their sexual orientation has enraged individuals who identify themselves as "ex-gays."

In response to a question at the third presidential debate, Kerry made reference to Vice President Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter, Mary. Kerry said she was "being who she was born as." His response angered Lynne Cheney, the vice president's wife, as well as ex-homosexuals.

"Senator Kerry, in his answer, basically invalidated me as a person," said Jeralee Smith, a self-proclaimed former lesbian who runs a support group for "ex-gay" educators. "I have experienced significant change in my sexual orientation and my feelings."

Kerry's comment came in response to a question moderator Bob Schieffer of CBS News directed at President Bush. Schieffer asked, "Do you believe homosexuality is a choice?"

Bush told Schieffer he didn't know. But when Schieffer turned to Kerry, the Massachusetts senator immediately brought up Mary Cheney as evidence that homosexuals are born that way.

"I think if you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as," Kerry said. "I think if you talk to anybody, it's not choice. I've met people who struggled with this for years, people who were in a marriage because they were living a sort of convention, and they struggled with it."

Ex-homosexuals told CNSNews.com that Kerry obviously didn't have a grasp of the issue. Even though some research has pointed the possibility of a "gay gene," other scientific studies have shown that environmental factors are equally responsible for a person's sexual orientation.

Shortly after Kerry made the remark Wednesday, reaction started pouring into Warren Throckmorton, a professor at Grove City College in Pennsylvania. Throckmorton said ex-homosexuals expressed outrage to him about Kerry's comment.

"Kerry's views, unfortunately, present a view of homosexuality that science does not support," Throckmorton said. "Bush, wisely, has reserved judgment and his views are closer to where science has progressed to at this point. I'm concerned that Kerry misled the country."

Throckmorton, considered an authority on sexual orientation, recently released his own documentary, "I Do Exist," which chronicles the lives of ex-homosexuals.

"If people are born gay and they're being who they are, then what about all these ex-gays?" he asked. "What about all the people on my film, 'I Do Exist,' who once believed they were born gay, but through a process of change and reflection, now are attracted exclusively to the opposite sex."

One of the people who contacted Throckmorton was Chad Thompson, 25, of Des Moines, Iowa, who described himself to CNSNews.com as someone who was confused about his sexuality as a teenager. Thompson runs a group called Inqueery, which helps ex-homosexuals in schools.

"It sounds like John Kerry is saying that I don't exist," Thompson said. "I certainly wouldn't want someone representing me who isn't even willing to acknowledge that I'm here."

Thompson added: "I wasn't surprised by the position that he took. But the way in which he stated it really was an insult to the tens of thousands of people that have struggled with homosexual orientation and have chosen to come out on the other side."

A spokesman for the Kerry campaign didn't return a message Thursday. The Human Rights Campaign, a homosexual activist group supporting Kerry, released a statement Wednesday accusing Bush of putting "politics ahead of the science" on the homosexual choice question.

Some ex-homosexuals wish Bush knew more about them so he could have given a more definitive answer at the debate. One such person is Alan Chambers, executive director of Exodus International, a Christian ministry that counsels homosexuals.

In his personal capacity, Chambers, a former homosexual, supports Bush. In a letter he drafted to the president, Chambers said he was proud of Bush's leadership, but he wanted him to better understand the issue and get to know ex-homosexuals.

"We all have a choice to do what is best, and with regard to acting on my homosexual feelings and inclinations, I did not choose God's best for me or for society when I chose to act upon them," Chambers wrote. "However, I did finally choose to live beyond those feelings and today I am not a homosexual nor am I tempted to be one."

Exodus International plans to make a public pitch Friday, said Randy Thomas, the ministry's communications director. Thomas, also an ex-homosexual, said he was personally offended by Kerry's comments, but not necessarily surprised.

"There is absolutely zero scientific evidence that would suggest people are born gay," Thomas said. "It's a simplistic answer that will pander to people that he is winking at when he says he is not for gay marriage. But in reality, he promotes rhetoric that is straight out of a gay activist brochure."

Kerry's answer aside, ex-homosexuals had praise for Schieffer for merely asking the question in the fashion he did.

"Just the fact that the question was asked was incredible," said Smith, a teacher from Grand Terrace, Calif. "It is indicative of the progress we've made as a movement."

And my gay brother feels insulted by Bush! :P

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:( He's not going to talk about it Veg.  Deep in his brain somewhere there is this feeling that if homosexuals hold hands or kiss in front of his family, it could somehow make his children or future children or whatever think that that is normal.  And HRC does not believe it's normal or OK, but sinful(dun dun duuu).  Gayness will spread everywhere and no one will be safe from it!  Human life will cease to exist b/c there will be no straight people left;except for the HRC and his wife which we'll lock up in a zoo like Chinese pandas to create more and more gays!  :D

Your a morbid piece of garbage! :angry:

:lol: LOL! I am tearing up at that one I'm laughing so hard HRC.

I'm not the morbid one. I was just demonstrating for the group YOUR thought process on this issue. Sarcastically yes. Morbidly no.

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Stem-Cell Research ................. L (Support overturning Bush EO, modest funding increase)

Kyoto Protocal ................. C (Support adoption of some kind of climate treaty, but not necessarily Kyoto)

Gay Adoption ................. L (Support without any special enthusiasm)

Congressional Term Limits ................. LL (I suppose the far-left position is complete opposition?)

Canadian Drug Importation ................. L (Support generally, look to fix other problems with health care)

The VA ................. L (Support)

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:( He's not going to talk about it Veg.  Deep in his brain somewhere there is this feeling that if homosexuals hold hands or kiss in front of his family, it could somehow make his children or future children or whatever think that that is normal.  And HRC does not believe it's normal or OK, but sinful(dun dun duuu).  Gayness will spread everywhere and no one will be safe from it!  Human life will cease to exist b/c there will be no straight people left;except for the HRC and his wife which we'll lock up in a zoo like Chinese pandas to create more and more gays!   :D

Your a morbid piece of garbage! :angry:

:lol: LOL! I am tearing up at that one I'm laughing so hard HRC.

I'm not the morbid one. I was just demonstrating for the group YOUR thought process on this issue. Sarcastically yes. Morbidly no.

Reading it over I am really busting a gut! Thats some sick crap! LOL :lol:

:D See? Isn't sarcasm fun? I knew that you could do it.

Admit it though, that is roughly what you think will happen if we let gays marry?

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