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Hi,

I've just bought all 3 of the 80soft games. Excellent...all 3 are so different.

As an Irishman living in Germany I would like to create a scenario for both countries.

So, I have a few questions.

1. Maps - has anyone got a map of Ireland and/or Germany (split by 42 constituencies in the 26 counties of the Rep of Ireland) and Germany split by the Bundeslander (16 I belive at the last count)

2. I suppose the best BASE game to use for Ireland might be the Australian one as it also is the Single Transferable Vote (STV) or Hare-Clark system. The German one though is a bit more difficult as it is proportional representation with the added caveat of the minimum 5% support to get any seats, in an effort to prevent extremist fringe parties from getting representation in parliament. I don;t think any of the systems reflect this though the Australian model looks to be the nearest I suppose.

3. What type of 'intelligence' does the Australian model have to decide whare the excess votes go ?? I suppose a weighting might be given based on same party and the current relations between the eliminated party for each count and potential recipient party/candidate.

Any ideas, suggestions, comments, resource links. ....as I say...its just in the foetal stage at the moment so I will appreciate feedback of any sort...Cheers.

I'm having difficulty finding the Irish and German results from the last elections in 2002 though I did find http://election.polarbears.com/ or http://electionsireland.org which seems the best for the Irish elections though the results in an Excel sheet might be better for the purpose of quickly creating the 'scenario' files. The German election results ironically I CANNOT find given the German penchant for documenting almost everything.

Best Regards,

Desmond.

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Hi,

  I've just bought all 3 of the 80soft games. Excellent...all 3 are so different.

As an Irishman living in Germany I would like to create a scenario for both countries.

So, I have a few questions.

1. Maps - has anyone got a map of Ireland and/or Germany (split by 42 constituencies in the 26 counties of the Rep of Ireland) and Germany split by the Bundeslander (16 I belive at the last count)

http://www.irelandinformationguide.com/ima...peraryNorth.png

http://mctiernan.com/counties.gif

www.kenefick.com/images/ MapIrelandCounties490.jpg

http://www.artificialgrass.org.uk/retailers/images/eire.gif

http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlgal2/images/GI...ies-Color-4.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_t...blic_of_Ireland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary...blic_of_Ireland

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_of_Germany

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2..._map_states.png

2. I suppose the best BASE game to use for Ireland might be the Australian one as it also is the Single Transferable Vote (STV) or Hare-Clark system. The German one though is a bit more difficult as it is proportional representation with the added caveat of the minimum 5% support to get any seats, in an effort to prevent extremist fringe parties from getting representation in parliament. I don;t think any of the systems reflect this though the Australian model looks to be the nearest I suppose.

No system really fits.. I would use the straight Canadian FPTP system.

3. What type of 'intelligence' does the Australian model have to decide whare the excess votes go ?? I suppose a weighting might be given based on same party and the current relations between the eliminated party for each count and potential recipient party/candidate.

You guessed right. The key files are preference_weightings in the main directory and party_relations in the parties folder.

Look in the Scenario resources subforum in the P4E Scenario creation forum. There's apost with a link to an excellent website that gives you all the election results you'd possilby need.

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Hi Jake...Yes hopefully 80soft are looking at these notes in the forum and come up with a PR module.

Dr_ABC gave away a great link to election results....It could not be more comprehensive...

http://psephos.adam-carr.net/

However for Germany it only has comprehensive (by that I mean FULL Name of canditates & votes and the appointed members via the list system) as shown below in my constituency. You can see that BERG got in via the first past the post and that Singhammer (CSU) got in because of the PR and the fact he was on the list.

Jake does your results extend back beyond the last 2 elections i.e 1998 and 2002 ?

Cheers.

Desmond.

Wahlkreis 219: München-Nord

===================================================================

Registered voters 203,053

Votes cast 159,138 78.4

Invalid votes 1,522 01.0

Valid votes 157,616 99.0

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Candidate Party Votes %

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Mercan Arda PDS 1,402 00.9

Axel BERG SPD 68,869 43.7

Elke Fimmen 323 00.2

Thomas Grahammer Grüne 11,339 07.2

Ulrich Irmer FDP 6,730 04.3

Tobias Ruff 1,310 00.8

Johannes Singhammer CSU 67,643 42.9

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Total 157,616

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SUMMARY for *** ALL BAVARIA *** to expose the 'list system'.

Valid votes: 7,357,178 (99.3%)

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Party Votes % Seats

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CSU 4,311,513 58.6 (+10.9) 15 (+06)

FPD 332,748 04.5 (-00.6) 4 (-01)

Grune 562,455 07.6 (+01.7) 7 (+01)

PDS 49,559 00.7 ( 00.0) - (-01)

SPD 1,920,820 26.1 (-08.3) 25 (-02)

Others 180,083 02.4 -

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Total 7,357,178 51 (+03)

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Bundestag members elected from party lists

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Klaus Barthel (SPD) Florian Pronold (SPD)

Dr Günther Beckstein (CSU) Daniela Raab (CSU)

Hans Büttner (SPD) Hannelore Roedel (CSU)

Ekin Deligöz (Grüne) Claudia Roth (Grüne)

Albert Dess (CSU) Albert Rupprecht (CSU)

Petra Ernstberger (SPD) Marlene Rupprecht (SPD)

Georg Fahrenschon (CSU) Christine Scheel (Grüne)

Hans Josef Fell (Grüne) Andreas Scheuer (CSU)

Gabriele Fograscher (SPD) Otto Schily (SPD)

Horst Friedrich (FDP) Horst Schmidbauer (SPD)

Günter Gloser (SPD) Albert Schmidt (Grüne)

Angelika Graf (SPD) Friedrich Schösser (SPD)

Frank Hofmann (SPD) Matthias Sehling (CSU)

Susanne Kastner (SPD) Marion Seib (CSU)

Walter Kolbow (SPD) Erika Simm (SPD)

Gerlinde Kaupa (CSU) Johannes Singhammer (CSU)

Dr Heinz Köhler (SPD) Dr Sigrid Skarpelis-Sperk (SPD)

Anette Kramme (SPD) Ursula Sowa (Grüne)

Horst Kubatschka (SPD) Dr Max Stadler (FDP)

Brunhilde Irber (SPD) Ludwig Stiegler (SPD)

Sabine Leutheusser- Dr Rainer Stinner (FDP)

Schnarrenberger (FDP) Dr Edmund Stoiber (CSU)

Dorothee Mantel (CSU) Matthäus Strebl (CSU)

Doris Meyer (CSU) Jella Teuchner (SPD)

Jerzy Montag (Grüne) Verena Wohlleben (SPD)

Heinrich Paula (SPD) Heidemarie Wright (SPD)

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I'm well on the way to creating a German Scenario...I have at least made the Ridings file which I suppose is the most important as far as accuracy is concerned.

A question for the gurus...Candidate Strength

If I show you an extract from the Australian scenario....John Howard has obviously

got a pretty high value...

Is there any rule of thumb that can help with the Candidate strength ??

For example (excluding the Party leaders which I supose SHOULD have 5)

If the Starting Percentage (54 in the case below) > 75 then Candidate Strength = 5

If the Starting Percentage > 60 then Candidate Strength = 4

If the Starting Percentage > 45 then Candidate Strength = 3

If the Starting Percentage > 15 then Candidate Strength = 2

Any suggestions welcomed....

Cheers,

Desmond.

@North Shore

Bennelong

85000

Liberal

54

John Howard

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5

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I'm well on the way to creating a German Scenario...I have at least made the Ridings file which I suppose is the most important as far as accuracy is concerned.

A question for the gurus...Candidate Strength

If I show you an extract from the Australian scenario....John Howard has obviously

got a pretty high value...

Is there any rule of thumb that can help with the Candidate strength ??

I usually put all major party leaders at a strength of 5 unless they are exceedingly charasmatic in which case I give them 6. Government ministers get a 3-4 depending on how high up they are, and incumbents get 3 unless they are unpopular in which case I give them 2. All others get 2.

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I thought by default it was 2 for all candidates, 3 for exceptionals and 4 for leaders.

In my own scenarios I give 1-4 to candidates depending on their strength.

1 - mediocre

2 - average

3 - good

4 - rising star

Only 10% maximum should get more than 2.

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