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What if Government Poll  

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  1. 1. If you could change the size of the US to make it into a government that you think would be best for its citizens, which would you pick?

    • Global Government: A World Government aimed at replicating something akin to the Federation from Start Trek. The US would just be one representative within this.
    • Continent-sized Government composed of several nations: Think continent-sized governments like the European Union but with more central authority. US would be one representative in this.
    • National Government composed of several states: Think the US as it is today
    • Regional Governments: Say the US broke up into regional governments -- Deep South, Midwest, West Coast, New England, etc.
    • State Governments: All the states becomes their own sovereign nations.
    • Local Government: All the states themselves would be fragmented into county-sized countries.
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    • City state governments: Same as local government, except that cities with over 100,000 people becomes their own city-states.
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    • Personal governments: Each individual is a sovereign nation with its own individual laws. (i.e. anarchy)
  2. 2. If you had to choose one over the other, what would you choose?

    • Equality even if its unfair -- treating everyone equally. [ex. Hiring a wheelchair bound employee equally with a non-handicapped employee, although the handicap person will have to go up a 20 steps to work.]]
    • Fairness even if its unequal -- giving everyone what they need to succeed. [ex. Hiring the above equally, but also providing a wheelchair ramp for the one handicapped employee so they can get into the building.]
  3. 3. If you had to choose between global government and anarchy, which would you pick?

    • Global government
    • Anarchy
  4. 4. Which would be the best form of global government if these were your only option?

    • One dominated by RW Populist strongman
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    • One dominated by a LW Populist idealogue
    • One dominated by a theocratic traditionalist
    • One dominated by a fiscal, governmental conservative in the style of Ronald Reagan or Margaret Thatcher.
    • One dominated by a committee of about 11 leaders randomly chosen each year from among all nations, requiring a majority vote from the leaders to pass anything in the executive branch.
    • One dominated by a a committee similar to the above, but elected rather than randomized.
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    • One dominated by the United States -- i.e. the US Annexed the world.
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    • One dominated by a Barack Obama-style liberal.
    • One dominated by an FDR, LBJ, Elizabeth Warren-style Progressive -- an action-oriented -ideas mentality.
    • One dominated by Scandinavian-style Social Democracy
    • One dominated by Swiss-style Capitalistic, Conservative Socialism
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    • One dominated by Kanye West
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  5. 5. Which would be the best alternative to traditional government?

    • If corporations could create their own governments with the employees and their family unit as citizens of their created sovereign nation. You lose citizenship if you are fired.
    • If social media created governments that you could choose and sign up for in which you are bound by the laws of that social media government of your choice. You lose citizenship if you sign up with another social media account.


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1 hour ago, Anthony_270 said:

3. What is the definition of anarchy here?

Basically, no central authority, whether federal, state, or local. Law of nature. Think Wild West. Law might be enforced by a majority on agreement but nothing official or constitutionalized. 

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6 hours ago, vcczar said:

Basically, no central authority, whether federal, state, or local. Law of nature. Think Wild West. Law might be enforced by a majority on agreement but nothing official or constitutionalized. 

Does global government here mean no central authority at the federal, state, or local as well? So just a massive global government directly running the entirety of the world?

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7 hours ago, Anthony_270 said:

Does global government here mean no central authority at the federal, state, or local as well? So just a massive global government directly running the entirety of the world?

I imagine it being something akin to the US, except the world gov is the federal gov, and the countries or regions are now states, and the next level is like countries, and the counties are like cities, and so on. I don't imagine an Emperor Palpatine total control authority at all. I always imagine something like Star Trek, which I believe was a committee executive or a council. I think the only way to not piss most countries off would have this committee chosen randomly among the regional/country representatives (no region can have two executives at a time) rather than by a popular vote, which would (if we used today's population) see the council dominated by China and India. I assume the regions/countries would elect their reps. 

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55 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I imagine it being something akin to the US

If that's the choice, then having local, state, national, then global would be preferable to total anarchy.

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@vcczar But the geographical scope of the U.S. is vast by historical standards, and the number of people almost unfathomable. It is to a significant extent like having a world government for itself. That's probably why many people who tend not to like the idea of global government also want to reduce the size of the U.S. federal government.

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2 hours ago, Anthony_270 said:

@vcczar But the geographical scope of the U.S. is vast by historical standards, and the number of people almost unfathomable. It is to a significant extent like having a world government for itself. That's probably why many people who tend not to like the idea of global government also want to reduce the size of the U.S. federal government.

I really don't think the diversity within America is really great enough to be "like having a world government for itself." That may have been the case at a time. Regional divides have mostly been replaced by Rural vs Urban; Small town vs Large City; etc. It's trans-regional rather than geographical in the North-South, East-West sense. You also have so many people moving now for work that people identify with a state or region less often than was previously the case. 

I definitely feel trans-regional, I was born and raised in TX, spent 5 years in NYC, 4 years in PA, and I'll probably be somewhere else in a year. I don't think of myself as belonging to a state or a region. As such, I think I'm more receptive to the idea of laws being Federal or Global because I migrate. I'd also be as comfortable leaving the US as I would be leaving a state or leaving a city. The only thing that deters me is that borders create laws that make immigration, finding housing, and finding work difficult. One thing I find attractive about global government is that it pretty much removes borders. Anyone can go seek work or residency wherever they wish. Businesses can build new businesses anywhere they want without penalties for shipping jobs overseas. There's a lot more agency for both businesses and workers. 

Although, I know this is a minority opinion. I wouldn't advocate this as a politician because it's more of an ideal for me than anything that I think can be done anytime soon. I know 99% of people are more nationalistic than I am. I guess I'm an early internationalist (a citizen of Earth), but I expect more people to think as I do by 2050 or so. 

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1 hour ago, vcczar said:

I really don't think the diversity within America is really great enough to be "like having a world government for itself.

Right, there are obviously differences. Much greater % speak the same language, less cultural variability. I'm simply speaking of the vastness of the country.

It's population is the same size as the global population circa 1100 according to this site

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/

The geography in terms of land area is roughly double the Roman Empire at its maximum.

https://www.quora.com/Is-the-United-States-bigger-than-the-Roman-Empire-by-size-and-population?share=1

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