IndependentPerson Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I have been thinking about creating a satire scenario complete with goofiness and absurdity. Feedback please. My ideas: Leaders & Parties [note: some of these are exaggerations] [also, this is a rough draft] Democrats Hilary Clinton Barack Obama Michael Avenatti Howard Dean Republicans Chris Christie Dick Cheney Condoleezza Rice George W. Bush Mitch McConnell Joseph McCarthy [yes, he's dead, but this is an alternate universe of absurdity] Communists Angela Davis Gus Hall Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson Maxine Waters Rashida Tlaib Ilhan Omar Cynthia McKinney Tulsi Gabbard Bernie Sanders AOC Margaret Sanger Darryl Cheney Gloria LaRiva Fascists Donald Trump Ben Shapiro Roy Moore Don Blankenship Laura Ingraham Kelly Loeffler Steve King Larry McDonald Ron DeSantis Alex Jones Steve Bannon Arthur Jones George Lincoln Rockwell David Duke Sarah Palin Ann Coulter Bob Dornan Pat Buchanan Libertarians and Clowns Gary Johnson Vermin Supreme Jimmy McMillan Deez Nuts Stubbs the Cat John McAfee Christians Jerry Falwell, Jr. Pat Robertson Ted Cruz Jack Fellure Atheist Bill Maher Centrists Rocky De La Fuente American Independent: George Wallace Strom Thurmond Birthday: Kanye West U.S. Labor: Lyndon LaRouche Independent: Joad Cressbeckler Regions: Popular Vote instead of electoral college Issues: Nonsensical like these: Who is part of the NWO Far-Left: Capitalists and Corporations Left: Aliens and Reptilians Center-Left: The NWO is great! Center: Nobody; the NWO doesn't exist Center-Right: Freemasons Right: Rockefellers, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral Comission, Skull and Bones, New Age Movement Far-Right: The Rothschild Bankers Abortion: Far-Left: Abortion isn't enough! Kill 90% of the world's population! Left: Abortion is great! Eugenics should also be a part of government policy! Legalize infanticide. Center-Left: Women can do whatever they want. Fetuses are just pieces of flesh. Lower the penalty for infanticide. Center: Sometimes, it's great, sometimes it's awful. Center-Right: Give money to women who don't have abortions Right: Women aren't important. Make abortion totally illegal! Fetuses are more important than women. Far-Right: Execute everyone who has anything to do with abortions, birth control, etc. [Note, I'm personally pro-life, but I tried to be somewhat impartial. If you think this is biased, [courteous] corrections are appreciated.] Debates Instead of 4 debates, we will have 20 [10 Presidential, 10 Veeps] Thresholds: First: 15% Second: 10% Third 5% Fourth: 1% Fifth: Everybody Sixth: Only Left Wingers Seventh: Only Right Wingers Eighth: Only Centrists Ninth: Only the Top Two Tenth: Everyone except the top two. Endorsers Normal ones [like George W. Bush], and crazy ones [like Bosco the Dog] as well. Events Real events [the more unusual ones], fake ones [from the Onion, Babylonian Bee, etc.], and goofy ones [like the ones in PotatoWalrus's scenario]. Interviews: All shows in CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS as well as different media networks such as The Young Turks, Democracy Now, the Daily Caller, and Breitbart as well as some foreign networks like Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC, RT, and France 24. Also some crazy ones like the Korean Central News Agency and satirical ones like the Onion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 30 minutes ago, Jinsu Kim said: I have been thinking about creating a satire scenario complete with goofiness and absurdity. Feedback please. My ideas: Leaders & Parties [note: some of these are exaggerations] [also, this is a rough draft] Democrats Hilary Clinton Barack Obama Michael Avenatti Howard Dean Republicans Chris Christie Dick Cheney Condoleezza Rice George W. Bush Mitch McConnell Joseph McCarthy [yes, he's dead, but this is an alternate universe of absurdity] Communists Angela Davis Gus Hall Al Sharpton Jesse Jackson Maxine Waters Rashida Tlaib Ilhan Omar Cynthia McKinney Tulsi Gabbard Bernie Sanders AOC Margaret Sanger Darryl Cheney Gloria LaRiva Fascists Donald Trump Ben Shapiro Roy Moore Don Blankenship Laura Ingraham Kelly Loeffler Steve King Larry McDonald Ron DeSantis Alex Jones Steve Bannon Arthur Jones George Lincoln Rockwell David Duke Sarah Palin Ann Coulter Bob Dornan Pat Buchanan Libertarians and Clowns Gary Johnson Vermin Supreme Jimmy McMillan Deez Nuts Stubbs the Cat John McAfee Christians Jerry Falwell, Jr. Pat Robertson Ted Cruz Jack Fellure Atheist Bill Maher Centrists Rocky De La Fuente American Independent: George Wallace Strom Thurmond Birthday: Kanye West U.S. Labor: Lyndon LaRouche Independent: Joad Cressbeckler Regions: Popular Vote instead of electoral college Issues: Nonsensical like these: Who is part of the NWO Far-Left: Capitalists and Corporations Left: Aliens and Reptilians Center-Left: The NWO is great! Center: Nobody; the NWO doesn't exist Center-Right: Freemasons Right: Rockefellers, Bilderberg Group, CFR, Bohemian Grove, Trilateral Comission, Skull and Bones, New Age Movement Far-Right: The Rothschild Bankers Abortion: Far-Left: Abortion isn't enough! Kill 90% of the world's population! Left: Abortion is great! Eugenics should also be a part of government policy! Legalize infanticide. Center-Left: Women can do whatever they want. Fetuses are just pieces of flesh. Lower the penalty for infanticide. Center: Sometimes, it's great, sometimes it's awful. Center-Right: Give money to women who don't have abortions Right: Women aren't important. Make abortion totally illegal! Fetuses are more important than women. Far-Right: Execute everyone who has anything to do with abortions, birth control, etc. [Note, I'm personally pro-life, but I tried to be somewhat impartial. If you think this is biased, [courteous] corrections are appreciated.] Debates Instead of 4 debates, we will have 20 [10 Presidential, 10 Veeps] Thresholds: First: 15% Second: 10% Third 5% Fourth: 1% Fifth: Everybody Sixth: Only Left Wingers Seventh: Only Right Wingers Eighth: Only Centrists Ninth: Only the Top Two Tenth: Everyone except the top two. Endorsers Normal ones [like George W. Bush], and crazy ones [like Bosco the Dog] as well. Events Real events [the more unusual ones], fake ones [from the Onion, Babylonian Bee, etc.], and goofy ones [like the ones in PotatoWalrus's scenario]. Interviews: All shows in CNN, FOX, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS as well as different media networks such as The Young Turks, Democracy Now, the Daily Caller, and Breitbart as well as some foreign networks like Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC, RT, and France 24. Also some crazy ones like the Korean Central News Agency and satirical ones like the Onion. Do you even understand what "Communism," and, "Fascism," mean, as ideologies and socio-political doctrines? Or are you just sloppily and highly inappropriate sloshing around the words (usually used as political invectives and slurs, nowadays) as though most of these people would actually use these terms in any self-referential way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndependentPerson Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Patine said: Do you even understand what "Communism," and, "Fascism," mean, as ideologies and socio-political doctrines? Or are you just sloppily and highly inappropriate sloshing around the words (usually used as political invectives and slurs, nowadays) as though most of these people would actually use these terms in any self-referential way? I know what Communism and Fascism mean. This is just a joke/mockery of those who like to call others Communist/Fascists [two very overused/misused terms] (e.g. Trump calling Sanders a Communist). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Jinsu Kim said: I know what Communism and Fascism mean. This is just a joke/mockery of those who like to call others Communist/Fascists [two very overused/misused terms] (e.g. Trump calling Sanders a Communist). Ah. I was unclear on that. Your post's opening sentence was quite brief. Thank-you for clariifyiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndependentPerson Posted January 27, 2021 Author Share Posted January 27, 2021 I may also add these [they are foreign, but in the world of absurdity, anything can happen]: Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbot Maxime Bernier Patine (because why not? ) Vladimir Zhirinovsky Kim Jong-un Someone from the AFD (either Weidel, Gauland, Hocke, or Von Storch) George Galloway Marine Le Pen Meir Kahane [or perhaps one of his followers, e.g. Michael Ben Ari] MBS (he has all the oil) Lee Seok-gi Matteo Salvini Lord Buckethead Howling Laud Hope (OR Screaming Lord Sutch) Alessandra Mussolini Nigel Farage Joe Steele (Joseph Stalin, actually) Senor Hilter (coming back from Argentina where he has been hiding) (might be way to controversial though) Also Vladimir Putin as a spectator, so that he can meddle in U.S. elections. Perhaps David Koch could be a possibility. Harley Braun, a biker from Idaho could also be a possibility. Also Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Nathan Bedford Forrest, and William Joseph Simmons (or Hiram Wesley Evans) for the American Independents. Oh, and I forgot Jeb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Jinsu Kim said: I may also add these [they are foreign, but in the world of absurdity, anything can happen]: Jeremy Corbyn Diane Abbot Maxime Bernier Patine (because why not? ) Vladimir Zhirinovsky Kim Jong-un Someone from the AFD (either Weidel, Gauland, Hocke, or Von Storch) George Galloway Marine Le Pen Meir Kahane [or perhaps one of his followers, e.g. Michael Ben Ari] MBS (he has all the oil) Lee Seok-gi Matteo Salvini Lord Buckethead Howling Laud Hope (OR Screaming Lord Sutch) Alessandra Mussolini Nigel Farage Joe Steele (Joseph Stalin, actually) Senor Hilter (coming back from Argentina where he has been hiding) (might be way to controversial though) Also Vladimir Putin as a spectator, so that he can meddle in U.S. elections. Perhaps David Koch could be a possibility. Harley Braun, a biker from Idaho could also be a possibility. Also Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, Nathan Bedford Forrest, and William Joseph Simmons (or Hiram Wesley Evans) for the American Independents. Oh, and I forgot Jeb! Please don't add me. I ascribe to a personal policy about running for election best articulated by William Techumseh Sherman (and shared, but not stated as such, by Todd Robert Lincoln), "if nominated, I will not run. If elected, I will not serve." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championship Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 On 1/26/2021 at 1:15 PM, IndependentPerson said: I know what Communism and Fascism mean. This is just a joke/mockery of those who like to call others Communist/Fascists [two very overused/misused terms] (e.g. Trump calling Sanders a Communist). Trump's claims are not that far fetched. At least not that far fetched then calling any nowedays republican a Fascist or Nazi. Fasiscm and Communism are in the end to branches of the same tree. People like Trump, Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley clearly are not authoritarian warmongers who like big goverment and goverment control over nearly everything - both typical things for fascists and nazis. In that sense, George Bush is more Nazi then Trump. Trump is more of a nationalist and populist, also a proctectionist. Sanders is of course not a Communist in the Joseph Stalin sense. He is more of a socalist, espacially in economic terms. But Communist sounds more threatening then socialist. Which seems to be for many young americans a cool new idea like electric cars. Which it isn't. And maybe Trump thinks they are more scared about communism. It's a hyperbole in the end. But that's off topic, what disturbs me is Tulsi Gabbard. She is clearly only considering herself as a Democrat by now, because as a Republican you can't win in Hawaii. She is in many regards more ,,right'' then the establishment GOP - albeit not as far right then Trump. As a newcomer to this game, how can I create a new map? Never done something like this before. Would like to add new states to the general election, like Puerto Rico for example, or adding new states within states like Upstate New York as a new State. Or parts of other countries, for example that Alberta joins the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Championship said: Trump's claims are not that far fetched. At least not that far fetched then calling any nowedays republican a Fascist or Nazi. Fasiscm and Communism are in the end to branches of the same tree. People like Trump, Ted Cruz or Josh Hawley clearly are not authoritarian warmongers who like big goverment and goverment control over nearly everything - both typical things for fascists and nazis. In that sense, George Bush is more Nazi then Trump. Trump is more of a nationalist and populist, also a proctectionist. Sanders is of course not a Communist in the Joseph Stalin sense. He is more of a socalist, espacially in economic terms. But Communist sounds more threatening then socialist. Which seems to be for many young americans a cool new idea like electric cars. Which it isn't. And maybe Trump thinks they are more scared about communism. It's a hyperbole in the end. But that's off topic, what disturbs me is Tulsi Gabbard. She is clearly only considering herself as a Democrat by now, because as a Republican you can't win in Hawaii. She is in many regards more ,,right'' then the establishment GOP - albeit not as far right then Trump. As a newcomer to this game, how can I create a new map? Never done something like this before. Would like to add new states to the general election, like Puerto Rico for example, or adding new states within states like Upstate New York as a new State. Or parts of other countries, for example that Alberta joins the US. First of all, not all authoritarian warmongers who like big goverment and goverment control over nearly everything are actually Fascists or Nazis - not even Bush, whom I personally regard as the absolute worst holder of the office of U.S. President, and who should be tried, along with his whole Administration, all of the Congressional leaders who had enthusiastically backed him - including Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, among others - his military brass, the largest, most prolific, best-funded terrorist group in the world (ironically), the CIA, his four illegal and Unconstitutional secret police agencies, the NSA, the CSC, the FBI, and his own creation, the DHS, and his horrid, staunch allies, Blair, Netanyahu, the Persian Gulf Monarchs, and the rest, and their governments, should all face mass tribunal for war crimes, crimes against humanity, abuse of power, use of torture, and (other than the absolute monarchs, unfortunately), gross breach of their national Constitutions and the rights, protections, and due process guaranteed their people, and high treason and sedition against their nations and people, and being no better than the "terrorists," they were fighting (who I still wouldn't give a by or absolution on their crimes, however - just pointing out the lack of higher ground of those fighting them) but NOT Fascists or Nazis (and neither are Trump or Cruz) - who are, all mudslinging aside, very specific and contextual things. Since you brought up Josef Stalin, while he does make a good boogeyman for McCarthyist types, he's probably (along with Ceausescu, Ulbricht, and other strict, "Stalinist," emulators) is actually a REALY BAD example of what a Communist leader is supposed to be - kind of far off from the "guiding figure of the decentralized, self-determining workers' and farmers' state run by collective councils in a upward pyramidal structure based on equality and democratic centralism." In fact, Stalin and his emulators are probably the worst examples period who gained true power, considering the Workers' Party of Korea and the Khmer Rouge so deviated from the Communism and Socialism in so many ways - and ways utterly anathema to Marxist thinking - that you could not call them Communist or Socialist remotely, anymore. And, as for the last line in your post, as living in Alberta, I think it shows a gross, superficial, and uninformed view of Alberta and social and political sentiments here (the UCP is NOT pro-U.S. Annexation, nor is any other party, or political lobby group or group foundation of any significance or visibility, here, and full independence or a Western Provinces Federation, or re-negotiated autonomy in Confederation are the considered options - no one of note is seriously talking about U.S. Annexation, and it is as distasteful a topic in Alberta as any other Canadian Province), so, please, I ask you in all reasonability, not to default to bad and incorrect stereotypes and include such a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championship Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 1. I never said that Bush was a Nazi or Fascist. Not a single President of the US was ever a Nazi, or a Communist. My point was, that Trump isn't even near of Facism, you can call him a Populist, or Nationalist, but Facist are something complety different. Sadly, many people in North America don't really get what Facsim or Nazism is. I'm German, so sadly I can tell you a little bit more about it... Right now, it's just word left leaning politics and voters throw at everybody who disagrees with them (which is in itself somewhat of Nazi tactic). Bush was just a comparison, he had more in common with the Nazis then Trump - but still not a lot. 2.Maybe Stalin was not the best choice, but that's the kind of ,,communism'' that comes most people into mind. It nearly always ends in a sort of military and elitist dictatorship, where 99% of the people are absolutely poor and 1% control everything. Exactly what socialists like to criticize about capitalism, but way worse. You can see the same in Venezuela, it was the same in East Germany. 3.It's a game and just a fictional idea. Even a map where you have the whole USA + Canada and maybe Australie/GB/NZ would be nice, sort of the major english speaking world, come together to fight China, or something like that. Alberta came to my mind, because Alberta (and Sasketchewan) voted mostly for the Conservative Party (the won all seats, right?) in 2019. Yes, the CCP isn't interested in joining the US, never said that. The CCP seems to me more like a Establishment GOP (Romney, McConnell type) then a Trump/Populist type GOP - in comparison. I saw a poll lately which said that around 35% of people in Alberta favor Independence (but don't know it that poll is really reliable), from my standpoint, the western Canadian provinces seem to be extremely underrepensented in Canadian politics and the majority of Canadian Trump supporters seem to come from Alberta (but that's just a total subjective Twitter observation). Of course, they would never join a USA led by the Democrats. Trudeau seems to be very unpopular in western Canada, espacially in Alberta. So, if ever a foreign state/province could join the USA, most likely Alberta maybe Sasketchewan - but of course, still totaly unlikely. Maybe more likely if something like a ,,red state secession'' in the US happens, but that in itself is totaly unlikely. The western Canadian provinces, especially Alberta, just seem for me in a similar position them many heavily conservative states in the USA. Politically totally the opposite of the rest of their country respectively their government. But as I said, it's just a totally fictional scenario, but I find that more interesting then playing the same map all the time just with different candidates. But I simply have no experience in creating maps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 33 minutes ago, Championship said: 1. I never said that Bush was a Nazi or Fascist. Not a single President of the US was ever a Nazi, or a Communist. My point was, that Trump isn't even near of Facism, you can call him a Populist, or Nationalist, but Facist are something complety different. Sadly, many people in North America don't really get what Facsim or Nazism is. I'm German, so sadly I can tell you a little bit more about it... Right now, it's just word left leaning politics and voters throw at everybody who disagrees with them (which is in itself somewhat of Nazi tactic). Bush was just a comparison, he had more in common with the Nazis then Trump - but still not a lot. 2.Maybe Stalin was not the best choice, but that's the kind of ,,communism'' that comes most people into mind. It nearly always ends in a sort of military and elitist dictatorship, where 99% of the people are absolutely poor and 1% control everything. Exactly what socialists like to criticize about capitalism, but way worse. You can see the same in Venezuela, it was the same in East Germany. 3.It's a game and just a fictional idea. Even a map where you have the whole USA + Canada and maybe Australie/GB/NZ would be nice, sort of the major english speaking world, come together to fight China, or something like that. Alberta came to my mind, because Alberta (and Sasketchewan) voted mostly for the Conservative Party (the won all seats, right?) in 2019. Yes, the CCP isn't interested in joining the US, never said that. The CCP seems to me more like a Establishment GOP (Romney, McConnell type) then a Trump/Populist type GOP - in comparison. I saw a poll lately which said that around 35% of people in Alberta favor Independence (but don't know it that poll is really reliable), from my standpoint, the western Canadian provinces seem to be extremely underrepensented in Canadian politics and the majority of Canadian Trump supporters seem to come from Alberta (but that's just a total subjective Twitter observation). Of course, they would never join a USA led by the Democrats. Trudeau seems to be very unpopular in western Canada, espacially in Alberta. So, if ever a foreign state/province could join the USA, most likely Alberta maybe Sasketchewan - but of course, still totaly unlikely. Maybe more likely if something like a ,,red state secession'' in the US happens, but that in itself is totaly unlikely. The western Canadian provinces, especially Alberta, just seem for me in a similar position them many heavily conservative states in the USA. Politically totally the opposite of the rest of their country respectively their government. But as I said, it's just a totally fictional scenario, but I find that more interesting then playing the same map all the time just with different candidates. But I simply have no experience in creating maps. 1. I think we actually agree that Fascist and Nazi, in most cases outside the '20's to '40's, is a political slur and slander. 2.I'm not a rallying voice for the concept of, "Communism only hasn't worked because it hasn't been right." But, the fact is, Communism and Socialism, like many political ideologies - especially the high-minded, and including, very much so, the American Constitutional Republic - almost never turn out like they were meant to, but often become monstrosities and enormities, deviating highly from their original doctrines if their founding ideologues could see the ultimate fruit that emerged therefrom. 3. I think you're reading too much into the word, "Conservative," in polling. Conservativism, generically speaking, is an ideology that varies far more by nation, culture, region, and time period than most. Modern American Conservatism, Pre-WW2 American Conservativism, Antebellum Northern and Southern (separately) American Conservativism, Modern British Conservatism (with Northern Irish Unionism being a bit distinct), Disrealian British "New Conservativism," Old British Toryism, Canadian Red Tory Conservatives, Canadian Blue Conservatives, the former Social Credit Party of Canada Conservativism, ADQ/CAQ Conservativism in Quebec, Modern Japanese Conservatism (Liberal Democratic and New Komeito Party), Meiji/Taisho/Showa Empire of Japan Conservatism, Kuomintang Nationalist Chinese Conservatism, BJP Conservativism in India, Revisionist Zionist (Herut, and then Likud) Conservativism, Islamic Conservativism (divided into Shi'a Sect, Obadhi Sect, Wahabbi Sunni Al Saud Monarchial, Muslim Brotherhood, Deodandi/Hizb ut-Tahrir/Al Qaeda/Taliban/ISIS/Boko Haram/Al Shabab, etc., and Pakistani and Indonesian non-denominational, all as separate divisions), Modern United Russia Conservativism, Old Guard Tsarist/White Army Russian Conservatism, Establishment Conservative Party in each European Country, newer Eurosceptic/Ant-Immigration/Islamaphobic/New Nationalist Party in each European Nation, African Nationalist Parties (as opposed to left-leaning Pan-African Revolutionary and African Socialist Parties), and many other examples, are all VERY - in some case, RADICALLY - different from each other in beliefs, ideologies and core tenets, it's not even comparable, direct. And, to say that a high polling for A Conservative Party, and for Independence (with no statement on "annexation," to the U.S. afterwards, AT ALL) shows a, as I said, very bad and misinformed stereotype about joining a neighbouring nation with a notably different take on Conservatism and whose main party advocating it can't even, itself, muster over the 50% popular support margin, nationwide. Plus, the polls about supporting Trump were purely semantic, and there's extremely few Albertans who'd really want him at the helm of power, HERE... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championship Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Of course conservatism has a different meaning in different countries. It's the same for liberalism. The Liberal Party of Australia has more in common with the Conservative Party of Canada then with Trudeaus Liberals. But, of course I was talking about the US meaning of conservatism as the point of comparison. It's absolutely not far fetched to say that the Conservative Party of Canada has more in common with the Republican Party (but more with the Establishment fraction, not the populist) then with any form of Muslim Brotherhood. But the problem is, you are reading more in my statements, then I said. We are talking about a GAME(!), it's a purely fictional scenario. Didn't you create yourself maps were parts of the world merge together? You only seems to be offended because by a complete coincidence I named the province were you live. I'm talking about a complete fictional scenario, but even in this scenario it's seems for me more likely that (parts) of Canada or Australia for example would merge together with the USA, then South Sudan, Malawi or Malaysia. Just for simply geographical and cultural reasons. And from the outside, Alberta seems to be the most conservative (in the american sense) place in Canada, so it's the most likely candidate. But of course in reality the likeliness is still somewhat of 0,001% - but the likeliness of Ontario or Quebec joining the USA is even smaller. By the way, I never said anything remotely, that a poll for independence shows that Alberta will join the USA. AND AGAIN, I'm talking about a fictional game, to get some different scenerios, do you get it now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, Championship said: Of course conservatism has a different meaning in different countries. It's the same for liberalism. The Liberal Party of Australia has more in common with the Conservative Party of Canada then with Trudeaus Liberals. But, of course I was talking about the US meaning of conservatism as the point of comparison. It's absolutely not far fetched to say that the Conservative Party of Canada has more in common with the Republican Party (but more with the Establishment fraction, not the populist) then with any form of Muslim Brotherhood. But the problem is, you are reading more in my statements, then I said. We are talking about a GAME(!), it's a purely fictional scenario. Didn't you create yourself maps were parts of the world merge together? You only seems to be offended because by a complete coincidence I named the province were you live. I'm talking about a complete fictional scenario, but even in this scenario it's seems for me more likely that (parts) of Canada or Australia for example would merge together with the USA, then South Sudan, Malawi or Malaysia. Just for simply geographical and cultural reasons. And from the outside, Alberta seems to be the most conservative (in the american sense) place in Canada, so it's the most likely candidate. But of course in reality the likeliness is still somewhat of 0,001% - but the likeliness of Ontario or Quebec joining the USA is even smaller. By the way, I never said anything remotely, that a poll for independence shows that Alberta will join the USA. AND AGAIN, I'm talking about a fictional game, to get some different scenerios, do you get it now? Game or not, it seems more unlikely of an event than you seem to be insisting - and I live in Alberta, and that seems to be as nothing to you in standing in this discussion. Plus, the Canadian Conservative Party is more different, by a significant margin, than you might be led to believe. There are further-right-wing parties in Canada that are very close to the U.S. Republican Party - but they tend to be about as successful, electorally, as the Constitution Party is in the U.S. It may be a game, but it's the sort of game where at least of a veneer of real research and realism is highly respected - like the Age of Empires and Civilization series and their custom scenario communities are, as well. That is where I will leave it, and hope that parting argument has some impact on your further proceeding in this scenario design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championship Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2048 Hypothetical Future Scenarios Revisited - Page 4 - Campaign Creation - 270soft Forum (ipbhost.com) So, according to this thread you made (or planed to make) a extremely similiar fictional scenario than what I'm planing. Quote: Western North American Federation (includes Washington State, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Colorado, Wyoming, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Alaska) In the same scenario, you put New Zealand and Australia together, according to you own logic that's ,,gross, superficial, and uninformed''. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Championship said: 2048 Hypothetical Future Scenarios Revisited - Page 4 - Campaign Creation - 270soft Forum (ipbhost.com) So, according to this thread you made (or planed to make) a extremely similiar fictional scenario that what I'm planing. Quote: Western North American Federation (includes Washington State, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, the Dakotas, Colorado, Wyoming, British Columbia, Alberta, Saskatchewan, Manitoba, the Northwest Territories, Yukon, and Alaska) In the same scenario, you put New Zealand and Australia together, according to you own logic that's ,,gross, superficial, and uninformed''. Actually, not exactly the same. First, these national changes occur in a timeline 20 years from now - not in the immediate future. Also, the Western North American Federation is NOT the U.S. annexing Western Canada - both Western Canada and the Northwestern U.S. have EACH left, shortly prior, their parent nation centred in the wealthy, heavily-populated, highly-urbanized East, and formed a new nation together, with a mixture of Prairie/Heartland/Alaska Conservativism evolved in a new form from either's parent nation's brand with West Coast Progressivism/ Social Democracy and a Neo-Pioneer Libertarianism as the three main party lines, with some smaller ones. And, I don't recall addressing Australia or New Zealand in talking about your scenario. But I commend you in bringing this up, even though I already have a retort. It's a much more engaging and productive form of debate than a lot of what I, personally, deal with here, and is quite refreshing. Thank-you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championship Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1. I never talked about a timeline of my fictional scenario. That's just your own speculation, not based on actual facts or the truth. 2.I never talked about anexation. Sadly, you are not discussing based on my statements, but on your fantasy and now saveral times about things I never remotely said. You just seem to be offended, because I named - by a total coincidence - your province for my TOTAL FICTIONAL AND NOT AT ALL REALISTIC SCENARIO (like I said 10 times by now). Maybe you have already to much national/regional pride... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, Championship said: 1. I never talked about a timeline of my fictional scenario. That's just your own speculation, not based on actual facts or the truth. 2.I never talked about anexation. Sadly, you are not discussing based on my statements, but on your fantasy and now saveral times about things I never remotely said. You just seem to be offended, because I named - by a total coincidence - your province for my TOTAL FICTIONAL AND NOT AT ALL REALISTIC SCENARIO (like I said 10 times by now). Maybe you have already to much national/regional pride... You are correct, in retrospect. I was basing on an assumption that you were building on the idea of the thread-starter, which was more in line with what I was criticizing. It's an easy mistake to make, but still a mistake, and I apologize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Championship Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 The main reason why I reply in this thread is that I was suprised to see Tulsi Gabbard in the ,,Communist'' fraction And then I just don't wanted to start a new topic. But I now saw that there is an extra area just form maps, I will search there first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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