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58 minutes ago, Patine said:

While I agree things are headed in such a dire direction in certain areas, and especially on "hot-button, zeitgeist," topics, I don't think we've YET reached quite the level of Orwellian "1984" Oceanian "1+1=3 or you're committing treason, just like Emmanuel Goldstein, who must be mandatorily hated for 5 minutes every day," level that you seem to be portraying. But the tendencies and directions are indeed worrisome. I will agree with you (for once!) on the dark social path one sees being paved, if not how far we are in that direction at this point. But it is something that worries me, too.

Oh we're beyond saving. All the mainstream companies in tech and media have already pushed up past the point of no return. 

I've seen it in the last 3 conservative nominees (Bush, Romney, Trump) same ways trying to make them appear as pure evil, murderers (Romney and Bain capital.. Bush is "worst president of all time" same w trump etc..).. people really think if Cruz or Rubio won there would have been any different in media coverage?? It would have been the same "evil horrific people" where you're an awful human being if you even consider voting for them. Impossible to have any true thoughts or thinking for yourself in a school system designed to brainwash otherwise.

 

I wonder @Anthony_270 if you'd add a feature in your game (on/off) where no matter what conservative candidate wins in 2020/2016/even 2012 arguably they get extremely negative press coverage. Would be an interesting experiment. 

 

I think it's bc of the synergy of religious beliefs/hot topic issues (social justice) and economic/disproportionate class system that drives it (working class anger). Especially all the abortion, gay marriage, etc issues where people take good vs evil stances. 

 

But I digress.. 

 

 

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If you had never joined this forum, we would still be having political discussions. 

Because that means you're an idiot snowflake who cant take anything even though you brought on a stupid conversation. Ban super, ban anyone, ban me for all I care. Super was commenting on a topic you

Believe it or not, while it may be a minority of people, some would like to see what Patine is talking about be realized, even if it is a small chance. I enjoy K4E and PMI more than I do PI. It's a ma

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15 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said:

I've seen it in the last 3 conservative nominees (Bush, Romney, Trump) same ways trying to make them appear as pure evil, murderers (Romney and Bain capital.. Bush is "worst president of all time" same w trump etc..).. people really think if Cruz or Rubio won there would have been any different in media coverage?? It would have been the same "evil horrific people" where you're an awful human being if you even consider voting for them. Impossible to have any true thoughts or thinking for yourself in a school system designed to brainwash otherwise.

Of course, this statement assumes conservative (Trump is NOT a conservative, ideologically, BTW, in case you were hoodwinked, there - the others you listed, there, are, however), Republican candidates are the victims and only salvation for this issue, and not a full contributive part and factor of the problem. The American political Duopoly, as a whole, as well as the soulless big corporations, moneyed lobby and special interest groups, and plutocratic oligarchs behind both parties (and flagrantly bribing them to kowtow to their agendas and ignore their own constituents) is the real threat, and a far greater threat in totality to American good governance, freedom, viability, electoral and Constitutional adherence, and respect for rights than ANY foreign nation, ideology, or "terrorist," group. There will - and can - be no advancement, betterment, prosperity, and needed change and moving forward under a Government by one or both Duopoly Parties, and will not happen until BOTH Duopoly parties are voted out of power in the same election.

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1 hour ago, PoliticalPundit said:

It's brainwashing today plain and simple. The idea of thinking for yourself is "cancelled" in favor of group think and mob mentality. 

You question anything that is taught to you, you're labeled crazy or evil. And the agenda most of these people at the top have only benefit certain groups and totally demonize and goes against certain groups specifically. 

Ah yes, I believe Liz Cheney's "cancelling" is decried by you as well. 

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4 hours ago, Anthony_270 said:

My grandmother was a teacher while she was a teenager. Please stop. And you're banned indefinitely.

Is this real? Or a joke?

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5 hours ago, Anthony_270 said:

Amazing how institutionalized our society is. Take teaching for example. In the old days, you just had someone who wanted to teach kids (usually an unmarried woman, often in their teens). There would be some parents in the area who wanted a teacher who would teach their kids useful skills (= usually reading, writing, basic math). Voila, you have a school.

Nowadays, it's public schooling and public schooling is a giant, expensive, bureaucratic, monopolistic tragedy. Really folks, you can get what you want in a much simpler, cheaper, more flexible way.

You looking for a hot virgin teacher waifu or something?

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4 minutes ago, Cenzonico said:

You looking for a hot virgin teacher waifu or something?

Instead of a frumpy old priest, a prude man in a bad-fitting suit and round lens glasses, or a mustered-out army sergeant, who were also very likely (in some places, more likely) candidates for the teacher in the set-up he's alluding to. And don't forget the dreaded switch and dunce cap.

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30 minutes ago, Patine said:

Of course, this statement assumes conservative (Trump is NOT a conservative, ideologically, BTW, in case you were hoodwinked, there - the others you listed, there, are, however), Republican candidates are the victims and only salvation for this issue, and not a full contributive part and factor of the problem. The American political Duopoly, as a whole, as well as the soulless big corporations, moneyed lobby and special interest groups, and plutocratic oligarchs behind both parties (and flagrantly bribing them to kowtow to their agendas and ignore their own constituents) is the real threat, and a far greater threat in totality to American good governance, freedom, viability, electoral and Constitutional adherence, and respect for rights than ANY foreign nation, ideology, or "terrorist," group. There will - and can - be no advancement, betterment, prosperity, and needed change and moving forward under a Government by one or both Duopoly Parties, and will not happen until BOTH Duopoly parties are voted out of power in the same election.

I agree it's both parties, but you must admit how biased the media/tech is against conservatives. I can say it's both parties but conservatives get a lot more unfair treatment, but liberals can't admit that. That's the difference.  

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35 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

Ah yes, I believe Liz Cheney's "cancelling" is decried by you as well. 

You are totally right, only your opinion matters. How dare I attempt to even think for myself! 

 

Pretty sad me and Patine are actually having a productive conversation and yet you need to add your totally unproductive snide 2 cents in. Im sure you're furious we can actually discuss things based on your last posts. 

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13 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said:

I agree it's both parties, but you must admit how biased the media/tech is against conservatives. I can say it's both parties but conservatives get a lot more unfair treatment, but liberals can't admit that. That's the difference.  

The media bias tends to change over time. Look at how it was in the Reagan and both Bush Administrations, and how large chunks of it viciously attacked Clinton and Obama when they were in office. I believe it's just a dog-and-pony show for a greater ulterior motive in the many areas the two Duopoly agree in and cooperate in - including most of the greatest and atrocious crimes of U.S. Government, domestically and abroad - and is probably a long-term divide-and-conquer scheme of some sort, for some nefarious end. Of course, now that I've said that, both Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. will label me a conspiracy theorist and tell me to go sit with Chomsky, Bannon, Jones, and Icke - but it won't be the first statement I've made that would get such a reaction.

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2 minutes ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

That is rather rude.

What's rather rude is encouraging others to engage in poor behavior to drive me off the board and threatening, "What goes around comes around". I don't threaten people and yet a certain poster did. 

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

The media bias tends to change over time. Look at how it was in the Reagan and both Bush Administrations, and how large chunks of it viciously attacked Clinton and Obama when they were in office. I believe it's just a dog-and-pony show for a greater ulterior motive in the many areas the two Duopoly agree in and cooperate in - including most of the greatest and atrocious crimes of U.S. Government, domestically and abroad - and is probably a long-term divide-and-conquer scheme of some sort, for some nefarious end. Of course, now that I've said that, both Democrats and Republicans in the U.S. will label me a conspiracy theorist and tell me to go sit with Chomsky, Bannon, Jones, and Icke - but it won't be the first statement I've made that would get such a reaction.

I thought the media was pretty negative towards W Bush, no? I heard countless times how he was the worst president in history. 

I don't think Obama was attacked viciously either. 

 

And yes, there is definitely some collusion between the two parties on certain issues. Look at the recent Gamestop stock market thing as the best example. 

 

 

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Just now, PoliticalPundit said:

I thought the media was pretty negative towards W Bush, no? I heard countless times how he was the worst president in history.

That was mostly post-office. And he was the worst U.S. President to ever hold office. I'm absolutely no fan of his. He was a war criminal, a liar, a manipulator, and showed utter contempt for the U.S. Constitution and the concept of human rights (let's face it, only sick, sadistic animals who don't belong in civilized society - like Tomas de Torquemada and the Marquis de Sade - ever think torture is at all acceptable or defensible), and he had no honour or ethics at all. Plus, the Iraq War as a blatant scheme to enrich Haliburton (which Cheney was on the board of directors of) and big oil companies owned by personal friends in Texas was pretty transparent. You shouldn't have gotten me started on Bush... :S

 

5 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said:

I don't think Obama was attacked viciously either. 

Ah, yes, he was. He was put through the damned ringer by many. The Birthers, the "Islamic Sleeper Agent," and, "Anti-Christ," crap, actually saying he was, in any way, shape, or form a Communist or Socialist (which is laughable, ideologically), etc. You must have missed that - despite it taking up a LOT of bandwidth in the media at the time.

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10 minutes ago, Patine said:

That was mostly post-office. And he was the worst U.S. President to ever hold office. I'm absolutely no fan of his. He was a war criminal, a liar, a manipulator, and showed utter contempt for the U.S. Constitution and the concept of human rights (let's face it, only sick, sadistic animals who don't belong in civilized society - like Tomas de Torquemada and the Marquis de Sade - ever think torture is at all acceptable or defensible), and he had no honour or ethics at all. Plus, the Iraq War as a blatant scheme to enrich Haliburton (which Cheney was on the board of directors of) and big oil companies owned by personal friends in Texas was pretty transparent. You shouldn't have gotten me started on Bush... :S

 

Ah, yes, he was. He was put through the damned ringer by many. The Birthers, the "Islamic Sleeper Agent," and, "Anti-Christ," crap, actually saying he was, in any way, shape, or form a Communist or Socialist (which is laughable, ideologically), etc. You must have missed that - despite it taking up a LOT of bandwidth in the media at the time.

I'm not a fan of Bush either. I'm just saying when the media paints the same narrative as, "evil, worst person alive, worst president of all time, kills people (mainly referring to Romney" for three consecutive Republican nominees... it starts to lose its effectiveness. You don't think Cruz or Rubio would have dealt with similar, "They are fundamentally evil people and will be the worst president of our lifetime if elected" vs. Clinton or Biden? I personally do.

You don't think CNN and MSNBC and NYTimes etc are getting ready to paint Josh Hawley or Tom Cotton as "an evil despicable person with horrible beliefs etc" for 2024? 

 

A lot of the Obama things you referenced were from the far right. The Today show was not covering Obama being an "Islamic Sleeper Agent" you know? Like most articles on Obama were VERY positive of him despite (won't get into it) and remain remarkably similar to the start of Biden's press coverage. "What's your favorite ice cream flavor? Joe Biden has a cat! The amazing career of First Lady Jill etc.."

We may just agree to disagree bc I truly don't think Obama dealt with much backlash from the media in comparison to let's say him running against Romney in 2012 who for the most part seems like a decent kinda guy. 

 

I don't think believing the mainstream media is biased against Republicans is a hot take lol. If Democrats would just admit it I don't think it'd lead to the angst some Conservatives feel about being treated "unfairly" on a. whole different scale. It just plays into the narrative when Liberals act blind to it. 

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12 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said:

I'm not a fan of Bush either. I'm just saying when the media paints the same narrative as, "evil, worst person alive, worst president of all time, kills people (mainly referring to Romney" for three consecutive Republican nominees... you start to notice patterns. You don't think Cruz or Rubio would have dealt with similar, "They are fundamentally evil people and will be the worst president of our lifetime if elected" vs. Clinton or Biden? I personally do.

 

A lot of the Obama things you referenced were from the far right. The Today show was not covering Obama being an "Islamic Sleeper Agent" you know? Like most articles on Obama were VERY positive of him despite (won't get into it) and remain remarkably similar to the start of Biden's press coverage. "What's your favorite ice cream flavor? Joe Biden has a cat! The amazing career of First Lady Jill etc.."

We may just agree to disagree bc I truly don't think Obama dealt with much backlash from the media in comparison to let's say him running against Romney in 2012 who for the most part seems like a decent kinda guy. 

 

I don't think believing the mainstream media is biased against Republicans is a hot take lol. If Democrats would just admit it I don't think it'd lead to the angst some Conservatives feel about being treated "unfairly" on a. whole different scale. It just plays into the narrative when Liberals act blind to it. 

I'm not sure Romney's "a decent guy." Certainly not "evil and the worst person alive," and a far cry from Bush, but he struck me as highly elitist, aristocratic, detached, and only in it for the rich - a true, blue-blooded plutocrat. But that, too, is another one of the big crimes of the Duopoly - bottlenecking to two "viable," candidates, every election (because Third Party and Independent candidates are institutionally suppressed - albeit not as overtly or brutally as political opposition are in elections in countries like Russia or Zimbabwe, but it's there, if more subtle), and ballot access and all other electoral laws are stacked against them and they're "starved, deliberately, for media oxygen"). And, in every U.S. Presidential Election where I would have been able to vote had I been an American citizen and voter (starting with 1996), I don't honestly think any of them had a Democratic OR Republican candidate in the GE I could truly stand behind voting for.

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2 hours ago, PoliticalPundit said:

 if you'd add a feature in your game (on/off) where no matter what conservative candidate wins in 2020/2016/even 2012 arguably they get extremely negative press coverage.

Yes, it's a good idea to have overall media bias. We'll see. There's been an obvious overall bias in American media for awhile ...

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12 minutes ago, Anthony_270 said:

Yes, it's a good idea to have overall media bias. We'll see. There's been an obvious overall bias in American media for awhile ...

You wouldn't need a "hard mode" if you adjusted for media bias against Trump 🤣

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20 minutes ago, Anthony_270 said:

Yes, it's a good idea to have overall media bias. We'll see. There's been an obvious overall bias in American media for awhile ...

 

8 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said:

You wouldn't need a "hard mode" if you adjusted for media bias against Trump 🤣

Except, as I said, Trump's not actually ideologically conservative. He needed Pence to play "pied piper," to lead conservative voter who wouldn't otherwise vote for an utter iconoclast and the most amoral and irrelegious person to EVER be U.S. President right up the garden path, down the road to Hell, and to the ballot box for him.

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9 hours ago, Anthony_270 said:

It's real ... why do you think it might not be? It was standard at the time.

Because that means you're an idiot snowflake who cant take anything even though you brought on a stupid conversation. Ban super, ban anyone, ban me for all I care. Super was commenting on a topic you had brought up and put his own feelings on the subject. You complain about censorship and then ban him for absolutely nothing. Pathetic. You're nothing more than a far-right Redditor troll who owns a dying forum (that was caused by you too). Just don't melt is the important thing, I suppose. I wanted to stay here to discuss the games as needed. Instead you wanted an echochamber. 

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15 hours ago, Anthony_270 said:

My grandmother was a teacher while she was a teenager. Please stop. And you're banned indefinitely.

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I know I'm not a heavy hitter here, and I've tried to stay out of the drama, but could we maybe move persoanl talk to another thread and keep this one strictly focused on discussing the next update? I'm referring to everyone including myself when I plead this. Don't give me any "oh shut up" or "oh you don't know what <username> said to me" or whatever. This thread is now 14 pages long and I guarentee that 70% of them has been dedicated to this pointless back-and-forth sniping and bickering.

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6 minutes ago, Supreme Incompetent Leader said:

I know I'm not a heavy hitter here, and I've tried to stay out of the drama, but could we maybe move persoanl talk to another thread and keep this one strictly focused on discussing the next update? I'm referring to everyone including myself when I plead this. Don't give me any "oh shut up" or "oh you don't know what <username> said to me" or whatever. This thread is now 14 pages long and I guarentee that 70% of them has been dedicated to this pointless back-and-forth sniping and bickering.

I agree :) I thought political talk was banned that was unrelated to the games, but I agree that if any is being brought up it should probably be moved to other threads. 

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