Herbert Hoover 199 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 I’m a big fan of his music but his general reputation and his mental health issues should likely weigh in to make his integrity below average. He’s not scandalous per se but he’s definitely not someone who comes to mind for “integrity”. I give him a 4. Maybe an argument for 5 but I don’t really see it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Herbert Hoover said: I’m a big fan of his music but his general reputation and his mental health issues should likely weigh in to make his integrity below average. He’s not scandalous per se but he’s definitely not someone who comes to mind for “integrity”. I give him a 4. Maybe an argument for 5 but I don’t really see it. Integrity and stability are different factors. He says what he means despite backlash. Knowing he said, "Slavery is not a choice" gives him a 10 in integrity for speaking his mind. At this rate, I'd give him a 10 for integrity and perhaps take his issue familiarity down which given his interviews seem fairly weak based on foreign policy etc Also @admin_270 know its not technically accurate, but it would ruin a lot of the fun of the game (or even wanting to play as him) if he isn't listed on ballots on all 50 states to play. Why would anyone play as him otherwise? The fun is in trying to actually win as him despite insurmountable odds. Especially if he can enter the race much earlier than he actually did, that would theoretically give him enough time to get on enough ballots vs what he actually did and decided last minute to run. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Hestia11 572 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 On 11/3/2020 at 5:50 PM, admin_270 said: Leadership 6 Experience 2 Issue Familiarity (and Primaries) 3 Integrity 7 Charisma 7 Stamina 8 Debating (and Primaries) 3 Leadership: 3-4 (what has he done to lead on?) Experience: 1 or 0, if it's been given Issue Familiarity: 2-3 Integrity: 4. Or lower. Remember this is the guy who interrupted Swift at her own award thingy. Charisma: 7 Stamina: 8 is fine Debating: 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites
TheLiberalKitten 301 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, Hestia11 said: Leadership: 3-4 (what has he done to lead on?) Experience: 1 or 0, if it's been given Issue Familiarity: 2-3 Integrity: 4. Or lower. Remember this is the guy who interrupted Swift at her own award thingy. Charisma: 7 Stamina: 8 is fine Debating: 3 This sounds about right. Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 16 minutes ago, TheLiberalKitten said: This sounds about right. shocker Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hestia11 said: Leadership: 3-4 (what has he done to lead on?) Experience: 1 or 0, if it's been given Issue Familiarity: 2-3 Integrity: 4. Or lower. Remember this is the guy who interrupted Swift at her own award thingy. Charisma: 7 Stamina: 8 is fine Debating: 3 Leadership: He went from a lowly producer to a Grammy award winning Rapper across multiple genres changing the landscape of Hip Hop near singlehandedly. After being laughed at and smeared, he pulled himself out of bankruptcy to create a fashion brand that is estimated by Bank of America in 2019 to be $3 Billion. What has he led on?! Integrity: That's not the definition of integrity. What was corrupt or dishonest about him interrupting Taylor when he believed Beyonce should have won? Adding to his leadership ^, across music and fashion he was laughed at constantly but pursued his vision to amazing success. That's integrity, he never surrendered. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BeetleJuice 45 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said: Leadership: He went from a lowly producer to a Grammy award winning Rapper across multiple genres changing the landscape of Hip Hop near singlehandedly. After being laughed at and smeared, he pulled himself out of bankruptcy to create a fashion brand that is estimated by Bank of America in 2019 to be $3 Billion. What has he led on?! Integrity: That's not the definition of integrity. What was corrupt or dishonest about him interrupting Taylor when he believed Beyonce should have won? Adding to his leadership ^, across music and fashion he was laughed at constantly but pursued his vision to amazing success. That's integrity, he never surrendered. As much as I hate to say it....... PP @PoliticalPundit has a point about Kanye. I like the idea that Kanye is kind of OP. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 237 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 The integrity of Kanye West and Kim Kardashian In defense of Kimye https://www.broadstreetreview.com/cross-cultural/the-integrity-of-kanye-west-and-kim-kardashian The Integrity of Kanye West https://www.spreaker.com/user/billionairebrownonline/the-integrity-of-kanye-west Link to post Share on other sites
Hestia11 572 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said: Leadership: He went from a lowly producer to a Grammy award winning Rapper across multiple genres changing the landscape of Hip Hop near singlehandedly. After being laughed at and smeared, he pulled himself out of bankruptcy to create a fashion brand that is estimated by Bank of America in 2019 to be $3 Billion. What has he led on?! Integrity: That's not the definition of integrity. What was corrupt or dishonest about him interrupting Taylor when he believed Beyonce should have won? Adding to his leadership ^, across music and fashion he was laughed at constantly but pursued his vision to amazing success. That's integrity, he never surrendered. Integrity is being moral. It wasn't morally right to interrupt someone's speech. He also defended Cosby after women came forward with sexual harassment claims. Link to post Share on other sites
TheLiberalKitten 301 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 6 leadership for West is a little too high. Like while he might have had accomplishments throughout his career, politically speaking he has very little. I say 3-4 leadership would be much better and reasonably realistic. I was going to give him a 2 but I took a few other things into consideration. In terms of integrity, I say a 5 or 6. But you know that's just my opinion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
BeetleJuice 45 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Can we get Kid Cudi or Jay-Z as a VP pick? Link to post Share on other sites
TheLiberalKitten 301 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, BeetleJuice said: Can we get Kid Cudi or Jay-Z as a VP pick? Haha! Kid Rock too! Link to post Share on other sites
BeetleJuice 45 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, TheLiberalKitten said: Haha! Kid Rock too! Michelle Tidball is so lame. I think Kanye wanted Jay-Z to be his VP, Michelle was willing to give up her VP spot for Jay-Z Link to post Share on other sites
BeetleJuice 45 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 https://consequenceofsound.net/2020/07/kanye-jay-z-vice-president/ Link to post Share on other sites
TheLiberalKitten 301 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 1 minute ago, BeetleJuice said: Michelle Tidball is so lame. I think Kanye wanted Jay-Z to be his VP, Michelle was willing to give up her VP spot for Jay-Z Oh snap. I didn't know this lol Link to post Share on other sites
BeetleJuice 45 Posted November 5, 2020 Report Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just now, TheLiberalKitten said: Oh snap. I didn't know this lol "Kanye has already presented the idea to his initial choice for vice president, a Wyoming preacher named Michelle Tidball, and he said she “would be open to taking another position” if JAY-Z were to come aboard. Of course, that’s a very unlikely if. Kanye admitted that he hasn’t spoken to JAY-Z in several years, following a very public falling out between the Watch the Throne collaborators. At one point, Kanye went as far to accuse JAY-Z of hiring a hitman in an attempt to silence him. Despite the bad blood, however, Kanye told Kaylin that he and JAY-Z remain “brothers.”" 1 Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, Hestia11 said: Integrity is being moral. It wasn't morally right to interrupt someone's speech. He also defended Cosby after women came forward with sexual harassment claims. That's YOUR opinion. He has shown he is true to his beliefs, he does not change his mind depending on what will help him politically nor has he done anything to go to jail, shady business dealings, avoid taxes, etc that would entail corruption Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 24 minutes ago, BeetleJuice said: As much as I hate to say it....... PP @PoliticalPundit has a point about Kanye. I like the idea that Kanye is kind of OP. Wow. What a day. Link to post Share on other sites
Hestia11 572 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 41 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said: That's YOUR opinion. He has shown he is true to his beliefs, he does not change his mind depending on what will help him politically nor has he done anything to go to jail, shady business dealings, avoid taxes, etc that would entail corruption Thats not opinion. Thats fact. Its not moral to defend a person who's been jailed for sexual assualt. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 237 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 1 hour ago, PoliticalPundit said: That's YOUR opinion. He has shown he is true to his beliefs, he does not change his mind depending on what will help him politically nor has he done anything to go to jail, shady business dealings, avoid taxes, etc that would entail corruption You mean other than trying to replace his running mate with a convicted felon? Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 27 minutes ago, Hestia11 said: Thats not opinion. Thats fact. Its not moral to defend a person who's been jailed for sexual assualt. Moreso talking about the Taylor Swift thing. The Bill Cosby thing was idiotic but Kanye did not DO them. As a candidate one tweet he makes vs. a thousand actions has nothing to do with his "Integrity". This is just another instance of, "I don't like this person so therefore their integrity/leadership is ____" Link to post Share on other sites
PoliticalPundit 285 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, pilight said: You mean other than trying to replace his running mate with a convicted felon? Hillary is going to be his VP? Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 237 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said: Hillary is going to be his VP? When was she convicted? Link to post Share on other sites
Hestia11 572 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 32 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said: This is just another instance of, "I don't like this person so therefore their integrity/leadership is ____" Some of us can separate our political beliefs when offering advice for the game. I'd recommend you try it out. Link to post Share on other sites
jnewt 37 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 3 hours ago, PoliticalPundit said: Leadership: He went from a lowly producer to a Grammy award winning Rapper across multiple genres changing the landscape of Hip Hop near singlehandedly. After being laughed at and smeared, he pulled himself out of bankruptcy to create a fashion brand that is estimated by Bank of America in 2019 to be $3 Billion. What has he led on?! Integrity: That's not the definition of integrity. What was corrupt or dishonest about him interrupting Taylor when he believed Beyonce should have won? Adding to his leadership ^, across music and fashion he was laughed at constantly but pursued his vision to amazing success. That's integrity, he never surrendered. Saying Kanye West was a lowly producer is beyond stupid. He was one of the best producers in rap. Have you ever heard of The Blueprint? It's one of the best albums of all time and he helped produce it. Link to post Share on other sites
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