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38 minutes ago, mlcorcoran said:

In what ways is Kevin O'Leary similar to Donald Trump?

The "successful businessman" comparison is thoroughly debunked, as I've previously stated.

What policy positions does Kevin O'Leary share with Donald Trump?

...that's a trick question of course. Donald Trump has no policy positions.

 

Has Kevin O'Leary grabbed and groped women? Is he in debt to hostile foreign governments? Has he sabotaged peaceful relations with Canada's allies and demonstrated sycophancy toward dictators? Has he deliberately subverted Canadian rule of law? Does he deliberately spread disinformation about COVID 19 or Canadian election laws? Does he forcibly separate immigrant children from their parents and lock them in cages?

 

It is true that I have not followed Canadian politics very closely, though it's not because of the trope of American ignorance as you've implied. Rather it's because I've spent more attention on political situations in the UK, Ireland, New Zealand, Japan, Belarus, Turkey, Israel, Italy, and Hong Kong.

 

I don't question the legitimacy of your wariness towards Kevin O'Leary as a prospective politician. I just do not see any similarity between him and Donald Trump. If there's credible evidence of it out there, I'm open to learning more.

No, admittedly, the statement is comparative rather than literal. It was his fiery populistic approach and denunciation of the current ways of political and economic management, but offering purely right-wing AMERICAN solutions (a livewire in Canadian politics), something not seen Federally since Preston Manning and his insurgent Reform Party in the '90's, and emulated, in parts, by Maxime Bernier and his People's Party (schismed off the Conservatives) two years later, at the General election, in 2019. These were qualities that may not get someone the label, "a New Trump," in the U.S., but can get such a "Canadian Trump," label in Canada. Context is king!

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Just now, mlcorcoran said:

@admin_270 Net worth is the sum of total valuation of assets after subtracting total valuation of expenditures including tax burden.

What you meant to say was O'Leary's net worth is higher, not lower, than the sideshow freak who bankrupted not one but 4 casinos and is over $400 million in debt

Source?

O'Leary net worth is estimated at $400M.

https://www.thestreet.com/lifestyle/kevin-o-leary-net-worth-15090667

Trump's net worth in 2020 is $2B (down from 3B at start of year) according to Forbes.

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/donald-trump-net-worth/

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Just now, mlcorcoran said:

@admin_270 the source for Donald Trump's net worth is Donald Trump's mouth, which Forbes stupidly published without fact checking.

That's how you know it's false.

Incorrect. Trump claimed his net worth was $10B, not the $3B Forbes assessed it as (and now $2B, a steep drop over the last year it appears largely due to Covid-19).

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10 minutes ago, mlcorcoran said:

It's true that there is one thing and only one thing Donald Trump is competent at, and that's "be on television".

Whereas Cuban and Branson succeed at starting businesses, running businesses, creating jobs, and creating wealth.

I'd encourage you to actually go to one of trumps' buildings, hotels, golf courses etc..  they are magnificent in their scope 

 

you can argue on how much trump has currently, you can't argue it's in the billions. just a question of how many.

 

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7 minutes ago, mlcorcoran said:

Which is not to say that any single one of them ought to be holding public office.

But it's quite clear that public perception of "success" is severely distorted.

and if we're talking about "management" 

 

 

cuban severely mismanaged his team during a massive sexual harassment lawsuit that took him out of running in 2020

and ruined his team for years after winning their first championship 

 

 

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The majority of real estate properties that bear the "Trump" logo are not owned by Trump he leases his name to them.

The ones that are wholly owned by The Trump Organization are among the least desirable and worst managed properties in the real estate market in exposes published by Bloomberg, The Guardian, Reuters, ABC News, and more.

His mismanagement of his businesses both in real estate and elsewhere, and multiple bankruptcy declarations over the past 30+ years is well documented. In terms of "failing upwards" he puts even Hilary Clinton to shame.

As for the multi-billion dollar net worth claim, yes it is substantiated by otherwise-reputable media organizations i.e. Forbes, Investopedia, and Bloomberg. However in the text of those articles they further explain that those estimates are guesses at best since there is virtually zero transparency into the financial dealings of Trump and his company.

 

All of which further validates my earlier point that the man is a showman and a charlatan. His proclaimed "success" in corporate America is smoke, mirrors, a massive pile of money from his daddy that he squandered, and overleveraged debt to shady foreign sources.

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1 minute ago, mlcorcoran said:

And in regards to Cuban, "management" of a sports team in terms of wins, losses, and championships is not the same thing as management of a company. Yes there is some overlap so I understand that it's easy to confuse the two, but they are not one and the same.

So nothing on the sexual harassment lawsuit? Not even Trump has dealt with such mismanagement at that level on a business scale. 

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Mark Cuban's failure to act, failure to step forward and put a stop to the rampant sexual harassment that was present in the Dallas Mavericks organization is 100% on him. There is no defending that and his cluelessness or obtuseness is no excuse.

 

To compare that to Trump, who has 25 separate allegations of sexual abuse of his own, and say "not even Trump" like he's on some moral high ground? Ridiculous.

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5 minutes ago, mlcorcoran said:

Mark Cuban's failure to act, failure to step forward and put a stop to the rampant sexual harassment that was present in the Dallas Mavericks organization is 100% on him. There is no defending that and his cluelessness or obtuseness is no excuse.

 

To compare that to Trump, who has 25 separate allegations of sexual abuse of his own, and say "not even Trump" like he's on some moral high ground? Ridiculous.

They are on similar levels in regards to that, Cuban has no moral high ground. Trump has separate potentially disingenuous lawsuits from individuals... Cuban's issues were RAMPANT across all levels of his organization. It's Joe Paterno levels of shame. He knew it was happening and DID NOTHING. 

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I supported George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004

In 2008 I supported Barack Obama - I felt the John McCain of the 2000s failed to live up to the standard of "Maverick John McCain" of the 1990s and I bought into Obama's rhetoric about being tough on lobbyists (which of course turned out to be bogus)

In 2012 and 2016 I supported Gary Johnson because of his successful track record as a conservative governor in a liberal state; and his success as a small business owner and entrepreneur demonstrated a real understanding of "Main Street USA" that Romney, Obama, Clinton, and Trump all sorely lack

In 2020 I'm voting for Joe Biden because I've had my fill of letting a lunatic run the asylum. I disagree with Biden and Harris on a great many things policy wise, but there is no denying that he is a man of decency and sane, moderate temperament. And right now that sane, moderate temperament is what America needs, not just to roll back the raving madness of Trump but also to keep the raving madness of Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez at bay for a little while longer.

In 2024 I will most likely support a 3rd party candidate again. I sincerely hope Jo Jorgensen runs again because I like where she stands on a great many of the issues and I would be happy to support her in an election that isn't an existential referendum on our representative republic

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Just now, mlcorcoran said:

I supported George W. Bush in 2000 and 2004

In 2008 I supported Barack Obama - I felt the John McCain of the 2000s failed to live up to the standard of "Maverick John McCain" of the 1990s and I bought into Obama's rhetoric about being tough on lobbyists (which of course turned out to be bogus)

In 2012 and 2016 I supported Gary Johnson because of his successful track record as a conservative governor in a liberal state; and his success as a small business owner and entrepreneur demonstrated a real understanding of "Main Street USA" that Romney, Obama, Clinton, and Trump all sorely lack

In 2020 I'm voting for Joe Biden because I've had my fill of letting a lunatic run the asylum. I disagree with Biden and Harris on a great many things policy wise, but there is no denying that he is a man of decency and sane, moderate temperament. And right now that sane, moderate temperament is what America needs, not just to roll back the raving madness of Trump but also to keep the raving madness of Bernie and Ocasio-Cortez at bay for a little while longer.

In 2024 I will most likely support a 3rd party candidate again. I sincerely hope Jo Jorgensen runs again because I like where she stands on a great many of the issues and I would be happy to support her in an election that isn't an existential referendum on our representative republic

So you haven't voted for a Republican since... 2004? Ok.

 

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I've voted for plenty of Republicans since 2004. Governors, Senators, Congressmen, Mayors, City Councilors, and School Board appointees.

No Presidential candidate in the Republican party since 2004 has earned my vote.

If the Republican Party hadn't rigged it's primary this year and had permitted Bill Weld a legitimate shot at a primary race against the incumbent, then I'd be voting Republican for President this year because I'd very much prefer Weld over Biden.

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