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Founding Fathers Part Four: A New Hope


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So, I’m waffling on whether this counts as “ignored”, in which case you processed it correctly, or “failed” since you did try to get the support but...well, failed.  If it’s failed, this would be -2 to the Sec of Interior as well.

I’ll leave it up to the group to decide. Naturally, your vote will also dictate how we handle this kind of thing moving forward.

If it’s a tie, ill cast the tie-breaker.

@mlcorcoran @swejie @vcczar @Leuser

The question on the table: If you try to raise the necessary IP and don’t receive it, should that be processed as a ignore (only impacting President) or a fail (also impacting cabinet members, if relevant)

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Just now, mlcorcoran said:

@Actinguy 

I'd say Ignored because Chester A. Arthur never actually spent his own personal IP for it. The President tried to negotiate bipartisan support first, and having failed to do so, chose to ignore the issue rather than send it to the Dept of Interior.

Fair point!  This may sway my vote, if it comes down to me as tie breaker.

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Actually, reading the rules closely, it is up to the President to decide whether to send an issue to the cabinet member or ignore, and then up to the cabinet member to decide whether to succeed (with enough ability and Ip) or fail.

As you control both, I agree you wouldn’t have sent it to your cabinet member without a plan.  We’ll leave it as ignored.

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In the past play throughs, I feel like this would have been ignored.

I feel like a fail is vote to congress and not passed. Ignore, never made it to congress for a vote.

If it is an issue without congress, I feel like it is only pass/fail unless the president specifically claims ignore before any action.

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2 minutes ago, Leuser said:

In the past play throughs, I feel like this would have been ignored.

I feel like a fail is vote to congress and not passed. Ignore, never made it to congress for a vote.

If it is an issue without congress, I feel like it is only pass/fail unless the president specifically claims ignore before any action.

 

1 minute ago, mlcorcoran said:

Agreed. If the office holder had been in another player's faction, and if I had raised the IP and sent him the Issue and then he refused to take it to Congress, in that situation it would be a Fail affecting both offices.

Agreed.  I’d also add the President is under no obligation to raise the IP before sending to a cabinet member of another player.  For example, when I’ve played the game, if I had to ignore the issue I might send it to the cabinet member with the knowledge it would fail, so that I’d at least take that other player down with me.

Im ruthless as a player. ;c)

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@mlcorcoran

ISSUE FOUR

1880

President Sherman’s chickens have come home to roost.

Suspending the gold act, which caused rampant inflation and a decrease in the value of a dollar and even confidence in the dollar system at all...stripping away the protective tariffs which led to people buying goods made overseas instead of in our own factories...which led to our precious gold being shipped overseas to pay for those goods, as nobody wants our stupid, inflated pieces of paper...and abandoning our poor civil war Veterans to starve...

I gotta tell ya.  This has not been a very successful economic recovery plan.

Does President Sherman have any plan on how to turn this around before he is up for re-election?

Any plan at all?

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The election of 1880!

Sitting Presidents are automatically nominated to a second term, though in this case it won't count as unanimous as Sherman does not have a lead of more than two popularity points over anyone else in his party.  Nonetheless, his nomination is guaranteed.

@mlcorcoran who will be your northeastern VP, given that Wilson is dead?

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34 minutes ago, mlcorcoran said:

Also, @Actinguy a card affecting the Smoke Filled Rooms:

An intrepid reporter exposes the Credit Mobilier Scandal on the 3 eldest statesmen of @vcczar's faction of New England Democrats

An investigation into the death of Governor and former Presidential candidate Samuel Tilden has revealed a shocking conspiracy surrounding the Brooklyn Bridge.

In a scheme that seems familiar to anyone who read about the Credit Mobilier Scandal which was exposed during Grant's first term, a holding company has been fraudulently been running up costs on the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge for the past decade.  Wealthy banker William English, millionaire Senator Henry G Davis, and war hero Winfield Scott Hancock (so chosen to lend public credibility to the scheme) have all been accused of personally profiting off of the shameful scam, undertaken during a time when our nation cannot afford to feed our Veterans, though the allegations have not been proven.

Nonetheless, it goes without saying that both Hancock and English have been uninvited to the Democrat smoke-filled room.  Senator Davis is expected to still appear though, while investigations into the cause of Governor Tilden's death continue.

@vcczar

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1 hour ago, Leuser said:

I feel like a fail is vote to congress and not passed. Ignore, never made it to congress for a vote.

 I was thinking exactly this before reading Leuser's reply 

 

1 hour ago, Leuser said:

If it is an issue without congress, I feel like it is only pass/fail unless the president specifically claims ignore before any action.

I was going to say I'm not sure.  Conveniently "Downturn of 1882"  provides a good example.  I guess you're saying if the president sends it to the Treasury, the Treasury looses the ability to ignore, thus it becomes pass/fail.  Seems logical.

 

 

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