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  1. 1. See the Data in the First Post: Who do you think wins if the election were today?

  2. 2. In Obama's speech last night, he brought up that Fox News would have been all over him if he had had a Chinese Bank account. Is it a big deal that Pres. Trump has a Chinese bank account?

    • Yes, it would be a big negative for any president to have a Chinese Bank account, whether Trump or Obama.
    • It's only bad that Trump has one because he's trying to play that he's tough on China.
    • It would only be bad if Obama had a Chinese Bank account. It's not bad for Trump to have one.
    • It is not important if a president has a Chinese bank account, whether Trump or Obama.
  3. 3. Do you think Democrats boycotting Justice Barrett's Judiciary Committee will help energize Democrats on election day?

    • It won't matter one way or the other.
    • Yes.
    • It will backfire, helping GOP on election day.
  4. 4. Who do you hope wins the 2020 Election out of the two major tickets?

  5. 5. A Psychological-Political Test! (Based off reading a Business Insider article on psychology and political leanings--I might do a longer one later at some point)

    • I think I express and process fear more than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • My political views are somewhat expressed by my need to feel safe and secure, more so than I think are people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more grossed out by things than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think myself, and people that align with me politically, have more ordered thinking patterns, using a step-by-step thinking process.
    • I think myself, and people that align with me politically, tend to have more "aha" moments, more capable of reorganizing their thoughts in flexible ways when stuck.
    • I think I can focus more on a single issue without veering off topic than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more likely to move the topic off a single issue than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more resistant to change than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • My political views help to reduce fear, anxiety, and uncertainty; to avoid change, disruption, and ambiguity; and to explain, order, and justify inequality among groups and individuals.
    • I tend to like simple paintings, familiar music, unambiguous poems over more abstract art, experimental music and ambiguous poems.
    • I tend to like abstract art, experimental music, and ambiguous poems over simple painting, familiar music, and unambiguous poems.
    • I think I am more compassionate and optimistic than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more of a person of honor and religion than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more concerned with compassion and fairness than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more concerned with loyalty, tradition, authority, and purity than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I have more self-control than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I express compassion to a smaller social circle than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more likely to express the same level of compassion for people around the world, even to non-human subjects like animals, than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • I think I am more attracted to Trump's personality and concept of money than I am about his political leanings.
    • I think I am more likely to seek power over others, be motivated by wealth accumulation, prefer conformity, hierarchy, and clear-cut rules than people on the other side of the political spectrum.
    • None of these apply to me


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1 minute ago, Wiw said:

...you are so pro-hunter and I have zero sympathy for you.

He said he doesn't hunt. He's saying that whether a politician hunts or not doesn't apply to him. 

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Agree with this 100%. Stop subsidizing big, inhumane factory farms and let the little farms flourish.

Weekly jobless claims -> lowest since March. Number complicated by unprecedented dynamics, though. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/22/weekly-jobless-claims.html

Not really apathetic - I'm quite interested in elections. But it's like being upset the tide has gone in or gone out.

Just now, vcczar said:

He said he doesn't hunt. He's saying that whether a politician hunts or not doesn't apply to him

Yeah, and he's wrong.

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1 minute ago, jnewt said:

Humans also don't need to eat meat to maintain their nutrition, so I view both as a wrong (I'm a hypocrite though - I eat meat). And I would probably say killing livestock for meat is worse than hunting since animals that are hunted at least get to live a free life until they die. I always feel guilty about eating beef or poultry since these animals were raised for the sole purpose of being killed and eaten.

Ya, livestock have varying conditions. I support humane treatment of livestock, and support local ranchers who raise cattle in relatively natural conditions, for example.

But ... humans are designed to eat meat (or things like eggs). You can get around it, using various supplements (although even there it seems some highly conscientious vegans don't thrive), but that's clearly not natural.

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2 minutes ago, Mark_W said:

Yeah, and he's wrong.

I'm a Sanders-Warren Progressive and whether someone hunts or not is way down on my priority list. If Bernie Sanders was a hunter, I'd still vote for him over Ted Cruz if Cruz didn't hunt. 

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Just now, vcczar said:

I'm a Sanders-Warren Progressive and whether someone hunts or not is way down on my priority list. If Bernie Sanders was a hunter, I'd still vote for him over Ted Cruz if Cruz didn't hunt. 

I can appreciate if we were talking about a US election, that you realistically have two options and the Republican option is so unpalatable that you basically have to vote for whoever the democrat is. The UK and Austria both have very different electoral systems and I don't think either myself or @Conservative Elector 2 can have any valid justification for voting for a pro-hunting candidate.

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3 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Ya, livestock have varying conditions. I support humane treatment of livestock, and support local ranchers who raise cattle in relatively natural conditions, for example.

But ... humans are designed to eat meat (or things like eggs). You can get around it, using various supplements (although even there it seems some highly conscientious vegans don't thrive), but that's clearly not natural.

Agree with this 100%. Stop subsidizing big, inhumane factory farms and let the little farms flourish.

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Just now, PoliticalPundit said:

Unless everyone here is a vegetarian I dont get this personally

not a fan of hunting just for sport 

 

but how this influences anyone politically is beyond me

 

 

Well I am, can I not object unless everyone else is vegetarian too? :P

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Just now, PoliticalPundit said:

lmao nah if's that your cause then yeah it makes sense then. just noticed the "animal rights" in your interests ahead of democracy :)

:lol:

Should clarify that it's not an ordered list.

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6 minutes ago, PoliticalPundit said:

Watching Trump's 60 minutes interview

 

this man is hysterical 

 

just support masks dude, he's always going 80-20 on some issues bruh its not that difficult 😂

 

Masks aren’t universally supported on the right like they are on the left. I have conservative relatives who claim you can “reinfect” yourself with masks for example. The majority of the right supports masks, but not the entirety. His 80-20 on the mask issue might be intentional, as I suspect that is the support to oppose ratio for mask policy among conservatives.

 

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5 minutes ago, Zenobiyl said:

Masks aren’t universally supported on the right like they are on the left. I have conservative relatives who claim you can “reinfect” yourself with masks for example. The majority of the right supports masks, but not the entirety. His 80-20 on the mask issue might be intentional, as I suspect that is the support to oppose ratio for mask policy among conservatives.

 

Yep definitely is. 

The fact that masks became a politically issue is insanity.

 

 

btw the 60 minutes uncut interview is very interesting. I'm very intrigued to see how 60 minutes ends up editing it. 

 

I think both sides will find it enlightening. 

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/350524406214941

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1 minute ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

Who's Jim Biden? 

 

Just now, admin_270 said:

Joe Biden's brother.

Didn't know he had a brother. I doubt this news matters at all unless Joe Biden is clearly involved. It's the kind of thing that only Trump supporters would probably bring up or care about, honestly. I don't even think it would register with undecideds unless Joe Biden is personally involved and aware of it. 

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Just now, vcczar said:

 

Didn't know he had a brother. I doubt this news matters at all unless Joe Biden is clearly involved. It's the kind of thing that only Trump supporters would probably bring up or care about, honestly. I don't even think it would register with undecideds unless Joe Biden is personally involved and aware of it. 

Bobulinski claims Joe Biden was involved in China business deals, contrary to what Biden claimed.

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Just now, admin_270 said:

Bobulinski claims Joe Biden was involved in China business deals, contrary to what Biden claimed.

We'll see where it goes, but I doubt the veracity of this quite a bit. It seems too "perfect" for the GOP to have it come forward now. Why not in the primaries? Why not a month or two ago? It seems like a guy wanting to make a quick buck. Why, I'm not sure. I think it's perfectly reasonable to believe Hunter was involved in something, but I doubt that Joe was. He's not stupid.

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5 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Bobulinski claims Joe Biden was involved in China business deals, contrary to what Biden claimed.

This might be news too: CNN just reported (watching pre-debate) that Sen. McConnell told Senate Republicans to do whatever they need to win their races, even if it means distancing from Trump or criticizing Trump. Who knows if that is any clue on McConnell’s idea of who will be the president next year, but CNN is at least spinning it or translating it to mean he thinks Biden will be the next Pres and the GOP needs the Senate to thwart President Biden. 

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I struggled with the last question (the comparison list) because I'm not sure who is on the opposite end of the spectrum from me and who is aligning with me politically.

In the Trump era (and likely beyond, if the Republican party doesn't just about completely clear house and start over), I'm certainly more aligned with the Democrats.  But I strongly supported both Obama and George W Bush in equal measure (for different things, of course).  Until Trump destroyed the Republican party, I considered myself to be an independent moderate, flipping back and forth between the parties based on who the best leader would be.  I still strongly disagree with the Democrats on several notable subjects though, so even though I can't see myself ever voting Republican again, the fact that I'm not quite a true Democrat impacted some of my answers.

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13 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

I struggled with the last question (the comparison list) because I'm not sure who is on the opposite end of the spectrum from me and who is aligning with me politically.

In the Trump era (and likely beyond, if the Republican party doesn't just about completely clear house and start over), I'm certainly more aligned with the Democrats.  But I strongly supported both Obama and George W Bush in equal measure (for different things, of course).  Until Trump destroyed the Republican party, I considered myself to be an independent moderate, flipping back and forth between the parties based on who the best leader would be.  I still strongly disagree with the Democrats on several notable subjects though, so even though I can't see myself ever voting Republican again, the fact that I'm not quite a true Democrat impacted some of my answers.

The spectrum isn’t based on parties. It’s based on conservative and liberal social and economic values, generally socially conservative. 

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