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State of the Race: 21 Days Left


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  1. 1. See the Data in the First Post: Who do you think wins if the election were today?

  2. 2. Is there anything about Justice Barrett personally that you think should disqualify her from being on the Supreme Court?

  3. 3. Do you agree with Democratic efforts to stop Justice Barrett's nomination because of the Merrick Garland situation?

  4. 4. Should US Senators have regular Covid tests and the results released?

  5. 5. Should the SC Confirmation Hearings and Vote be delayed if members of the Senate have Covid, especially judiciary members?



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7 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Probably social media. The energy for Clinton and against Trump wasn’t that noticeable. I’d say, Energy for Clinton was a 1. Energy against Trump was like a 5. Despite this, Clinton still won the PV and was within a a few thousand votes in PA, MI, and WI. Social energy among Dems and never Trumpers is many times more noticeable to me this year. I’d say Biden energy is a 3 or 4. Energy against Trump is like a 9 or 10. It isn’t a complacent confidence like in 2016. It’s outright anger and “let’s fire that mutha f-er.” People are posting photos of their mail in ballots and commenting on how it’s going to throw that “orange serial killer” out of the White House. Etc. it’s a much more violent and energize opposition to Trump. This is a reason I think a Trump surprise the defies the polls is going to be unlikely to repeat this time around. 

Interesting - thanks for this.

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Can we just chill? Like I just want to do RP, see funny memes, and talk about how to make PI better.

My gosh, I'm in class and I'm missing a lot. Anywho, sending everyone good vibes!

You have 4 days to cool off. Peace, bro.

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

Are there Never Biden Trump voters?

Just as my impression is that almost no one on the left is really for Biden, it seems almost no one on the right is really against him. However, I've read multiple people who didn't vote Trump in 2016 and now say they are voting Trump. I believe in each case I read, they had been won over by his record.

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

Just as my impression is that almost no one on the left is really for Biden, it seems almost no one on the right is really against him. However, I've read multiple people who didn't vote Trump in 2016 and now say they are voting Trump. I believe in each case I read, they had been won over by his record.

Interesting. Haven’t read anything mentioning people like that. Maybe they didn’t vote in 2016 or voted 3rd party. 

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2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Interesting. Haven’t read anything mentioning people like that. Maybe they didn’t vote in 2016 or voted 3rd party. 

I know some of these people irl. My mom didn't vote in 2016 and her first time voting will be for Trump in 2020.

In regards to my former classmates, the vocal ones are voting for Biden out of anti-Trump hate, though most of the non-vocal ones who never post about politics publically confide in me that they're voting Trump and are afraid of getting hate (I've lost 20% of my followers this year and I've only posted things anti-rioting and anti-Biden). The silent majority (though I live in a rural suburb town) supports Trump.

I'm still undecided. And by undecided I dont know whether I'm voting for Jorgensen or not voting at all. Orange man bad and Joe has dementia.

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1 hour ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

I know some of these people irl. My mom didn't vote in 2016 and her first time voting will be for Trump in 2020.

In regards to my former classmates, the vocal ones are voting for Biden out of anti-Trump hate, though most of the non-vocal ones who never post about politics publically confide in me that they're voting Trump and are afraid of getting hate (I've lost 20% of my followers this year and I've only posted things anti-rioting and anti-Biden). The silent majority (though I live in a rural suburb town) supports Trump.

I'm still undecided. And by undecided I dont know whether I'm voting for Jorgensen or not voting at all. Orange man bad and Joe has dementia.

That's kinda where I'm at but if MO were actually closer I'd probably vote for Biden just because Trumps handling and attitude toward COVID has been embarrassing. 

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11 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Glenn Beck is perhaps the most high profile example I've read of.

My math teacher was one of these people. He'd always show us political shit and conspiracy theories in class instead of teaching (he was a fan of Alex Jones and thought the world is flat, showed us Steven Crowder and Shapiro videos), and he hated Trump because he showed us the picture of him and Hillary at his wedding and thought he was a socialist plant or Democrat in disguise and voted for McMullin. But now he's a super Trump fan. It's dumb to count out these people. The funniest part is he considered himself a moderate Libertarian lol.

I make him sound like Dale Gribble but outside of politics he was a good dude and good dad and made me enjoy math despite it being my worst class in high school. 

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15 minutes ago, RI Democrat said:

I was kind of surprised that Beck *didn't* support Trump in 2016. His populist brand of conservatism actually seems like it would be somewhat compatible with Trumpism. 

Ya, but he thought Trump was just talk and disliked Trump's persona.

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1 minute ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

What disqualifies Barrett? Merrick Garland precedence aside she's extremely qualified and seems like a smart, reasonable woman.

I agree. She's very qualified. Frankly I'd vote in favor of her confirmation based on her qualifications 

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On 10/12/2020 at 9:12 PM, admin_270 said:

Latest Trump rally in FL.

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exceptional crowd

 

the enthusiasm has only gotten higher for trump since 2016

 

I truly question how many voters are actually flipping from trump to biden

 

just like supposedly so many republicans weren't voting for trump in 2016

 

think of it like this: if you were in a swing state and got a call about polling, I guarantee if you're a voter switching you are far more likely to be proud to proclaim it on the phone line vs. a trump supporter.

 

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28 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Don't follow, can you rephrase?

I believe I've made myself clear. If someone wants to interpret the Constitution as written, they would be following the liberal principles the United States was built on.

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On 10/12/2020 at 6:27 PM, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Anyone who's able to read between the lines knows his position already...

I am asking myself what this awkward ''I will reveal my position on court packing soon'' stance from Biden is supposed to mean. That sounds like an empty bag waiting to be filled with positions. One should think a real candidate has already a position months into his campaign. I am sorry if having a clear stance on matters of great importance is already too much to expect in todays politics.

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"“I think the best argument is, look at my results and not the rhetoric…’You might not like the way I say things, but at least you have to give me credit for the things I have done,’” said Brad Blakeman, a veteran of former President George W. Bush’s White House and a Trump supporter."

 

If Trump can just hammer this message home over and over and over again he can do this.

 

If he gets bogged down in Hunter Biden and various bullshit then it's possible he blows a winnable election. 

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On 10/14/2020 at 11:57 AM, admin_270 said:

Don't follow, can you rephrase?

 

On 10/14/2020 at 12:25 PM, Wiw said:

I believe I've made myself clear. If someone wants to interpret the Constitution as written, they would be following the liberal principles the United States was built on.

I think there are two things that you misunderstand here, @admin_270. First, I believe @Wiwmeans "Classical Liberalism," (often just called "Liberalism," in the UK, and most of Europe), not Neo-Liberalism, often called, along with Modern Social Progressivism, the "New Left," in the UK and Europe (that is, the Left not specifically tied to Marxist or Green politics roots), and by the term "Classical Liberalism," the U.S. Constitution indeed was strongly and heavily built on such ideological principles. Second, the idea that a Socially Conservative nominee for a Supreme Court justice is automatically, or even usually, a "Constitutional Originalist" choice, and only Socially Liberal and Progressive choices are "activist," is completely and utterly false. Though Social Conservatism was long a passive and background political force in American society and governance, of the last few decades it has been VERY activist - at many times, even aggressive and on the attack, uncompromising, and even to the point of, in certain cases, showing the qualities of unreasonability, or choosing allies and messages that undermine the cause they claim to be pursuing - and definitely very desiring of reform and revision to laws - far beyond mere repeal of "liberal laws," they find repugnant - and even occasionally to amend the Constitution itself - see Bush's traditional marriage amendment he tried to push - or to interpret the Constitution in ways it was OBVIOUSLY never meant to be seen. Thus, modern American Social Conservatism of the last few decades is VERY "Activist," and at all, "Constitutionally Originalist." And thus, when @Wiw, "o assuming he wins, he'll get to blow his nose on the Constitution and become an American dictator!" and you say, "You don't nominate originalists to the SC if that's your goal," the fact is, he hasn't made such nominations, and would be be searching for a "diamond in the rough," search for judge (to quote Aladdin) to even dig up a true Constitutional Originalist judge to nominate - and such a judge would be as much a liability and obstacle to Republican agendas - especially Trump - as Democratic ones that I don't see them going through the effort to find such a rare judge in the modern American judicial system - and thus, while I, personally believe @Wiw's point of view on the matter is quite over the top and paranoid, that's for different reasons, and, indeed, I agree with what is @Wiwis saying here, and am elaborating, about how you're retort to him to counter his statement holds no real water.

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