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21 Day Poll  

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  1. 1. See the Data in the First Post: Who do you think wins if the election were today?

  2. 2. Is there anything about Justice Barrett personally that you think should disqualify her from being on the Supreme Court?

  3. 3. Do you agree with Democratic efforts to stop Justice Barrett's nomination because of the Merrick Garland situation?

  4. 4. Should US Senators have regular Covid tests and the results released?

  5. 5. Should the SC Confirmation Hearings and Vote be delayed if members of the Senate have Covid, especially judiciary members?



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Just now, PringlesN7 said:

Playing Fallout with low intelligence is the best Fallout! :P 

Nah, best way is to have 10 luck and clear out all the casino's.

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Can we just chill? Like I just want to do RP, see funny memes, and talk about how to make PI better.

My gosh, I'm in class and I'm missing a lot. Anywho, sending everyone good vibes!

You have 4 days to cool off. Peace, bro.

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Just now, admin_270 said:

I'm not sure why he sends me an e-mail and then messages you.

I think he thinks you'll ignore them or something. I don't understand it either. 

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3 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

I don't know, I think she's okay :)

I liked her well-enough prior to 2016. She seemed way more out to get Clinton than Trump in 2016. This bothered me a lot. I really disliked Progressive suicide attacks that hurt the more progressive politician out of the major party. I say this as someone that would vote Green every time if they had any semblance of a change of 270 EVs. So long as there is an EC and no ranked voting, I think 3rd parties are more of a nuisance than helpful. However, I would prefer that they existed in a way that was helpful and not ruinous. I blame Jill Stein for about 50% of the reasons why Clinton lost. I blame Democrats that allowed Clinton to run mostly unchallenged for the rest, and in this 50%, I also blame Clinton for not really countering her failing as a candidate. 

Jill Stein and Ralph Nader are two people that are kind of on my Progressive's Progressive Scumbag List. Without them we would not have Bush and we would not have Trump, in my opinion. They both needed the Democratic voters so they predominantly attacked them . It makes sense if you don't care who wins the election, but it makes ZERO sense if you are hoping the world will be a little more progressive than it was earlier. Progress isn't always quick and sabotage isn't helpful. 

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

I liked her well-enough prior to 2016. She seemed way more out to get Clinton than Trump in 2016. This bothered me a lot. I really disliked Progressive suicide attacks that hurt the more progressive politician out of the major party. I say this as someone that would vote Green every time if they had any semblance of a change of 270 EVs. So long as there is an EC and no ranked voting, I think 3rd parties are more of a nuisance than helpful. However, I would prefer that they existed in a way that was helpful and not ruinous. I blame Jill Stein for about 50% of the reasons why Clinton lost. I blame Democrats that allowed Clinton to run mostly unchallenged for the rest, and in this 50%, I also blame Clinton for not really countering her failing as a candidate. 

Jill Stein and Ralph Nader are two people that are kind of on my Progressive's Progressive Scumbag List. Without them we would not have Bush and we would not have Trump, in my opinion. They both needed the Democratic voters so they predominantly attacked them . It makes sense if you don't care who wins the election, but it makes ZERO sense if you are hoping the world will be a little more progressive than it was earlier. Progress isn't always quick and sabotage isn't helpful. 

Okay, I'm just a little confused. Jill Biden?????

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4 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

Okay, I'm just a little confused. Jill Biden?????

 

55 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Why is Jill Biden in TX today?

My mistake! I was so sure y'all were talking about Jill Stein. 

Jill Biden, I like. She'll probably be the most active first lady since Hillary Clinton. 

Why is Jill Biden in TX? Trump is up only +1.5% in this state. Not a bad move. 

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7 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Ya, but if they win TX they've already won. They need PA, MI, WI, FL. This has echoes of Clinton thinking she could take TX in 2016. Trump won by 9 pts.

I really don’t think Jill Biden is going to be a high level enough campaigner to really register as a miscalculation. She’s probably there primarily for fundraising. Besides, Biden is routinely in PA. He was just in FL. He does need to be in MI and WI more. 

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6 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I really don’t think Jill Biden is going to be a high level enough campaigner to really register as a miscalculation.

Ya, in 2016 Clinton's spouse was a former President, so an unusual situation - the spouse was a top surrogate. You might be right that it's to increase fundraising in the state.

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Just now, admin_270 said:

@vcczar

If you didn't have polls to go on, what do you think are the strongest indicators that Biden is in the lead?

Probably social media. The energy for Clinton and against Trump wasn’t that noticeable. I’d say, Energy for Clinton was a 1. Energy against Trump was like a 5. Despite this, Clinton still won the PV and was within a a few thousand votes in PA, MI, and WI. Social energy among Dems and never Trumpers is many times more noticeable to me this year. I’d say Biden energy is a 3 or 4. Energy against Trump is like a 9 or 10. It isn’t a complacent confidence like in 2016. It’s outright anger and “let’s fire that mutha f-er.” People are posting photos of their mail in ballots and commenting on how it’s going to throw that “orange serial killer” out of the White House. Etc. it’s a much more violent and energize opposition to Trump. This is a reason I think a Trump surprise the defies the polls is going to be unlikely to repeat this time around. 

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10 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Latest Trump rally in FL.

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Good picture of a rally but they should socially distance. Trump shouldn’t want his own fans to risk infecting one another. It’s kind of heartless to encourage it. 

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@admin_270i should also add that another indicator for me is word of mouth. I’ve personally talked to at least 12 people that regretted their Trump vote and will presumably vote Biden or 3rd party. I have never met anyone that wants to vote Trump but had voted Clinton. Honestly, I can’t fathom that there’s even a demographic of Clinton-to-Trump voters. However, it’s natural to imagine that there’s Trump to Biden voters since there were Obama to Trump voters. Many Trump voters were Never Hillary voters. Are there Never Biden Trump voters? 

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