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8 minutes ago, Defiant said:

He briefly stated that he was pro-life later in the debate, but on the question of what Indiana should do if Roe is overturned, he said something like "Thank you for that question but I'm going to continue talking about the previous question" said some stuff about that topic, and after he finished that he started saying good things about Barrett and why she should be confirmed.

 

He dodged on a lot of questions, because he answered his own questions rather than the moderators questions.

Honestly, I don't like that he dodged, but I could see some reasoning as to how you could say the moderator was biased. she is writing a biography for fuckin Pelosi yknow.

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

@NYConservative I'm not sure what is says about you that you find grim and plausible prognostications of the future and sober cautionary statements "funny." Perhaps have you have a black or gallows sense of humour - or maybe you're just a nihilist and don't really care.

That is what makes you funny dear friend. I can do literally anything from the most basic reaction to burning down a building and you will overreact. You are comedy. Thank you. 

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16 minutes ago, NYConservative said:

That is what makes you funny dear friend. I can do literally anything from the most basic reaction to burning down a building and you will overreact. You are comedy. Thank you. 

If you call that an overreaction, you must work in a library on an Amish colony. Either that, or you are far too easily amused. Either way, finding someone comedic to stating opinions they truly believe and have conviction in, and think independently of "zombie-ideology-hive-mind feeds," is quite disgusting and disingenuous, especially who obviously strongly believes in NOTHING OF VALUE. I'm not here to amuse you, but you're obviously here to disgust me - to disgust others as well. You shouldn't have returned - I'm pretty sure you're warped and vapid attitude were not missed by anyone. You only got a few welcome backs solely on mistaken identity, remember.

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

Either way, finding someone comedic to stating opinions they truly believe and have conviction in, and think independently of "zombie-ideology-hive-mind feeds," is quite disgusting and disingenuous, especially who obviously strongly believes in NOTHING OF VALUE.

You really don't get the point of countering people who find your arguments funny, do you? 

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2 minutes ago, NYConservative said:

You really don't get the point of countering people who find your arguments funny, do you? 

I really don't get the point of people who find all of my arguments funny. I can only conclude they must be disturbed, psychotic, nihilistic, warped, or just empty shells. Now, since I'm done dealing with a vile individual such as you, I'm putting you on ignore, and publicly advising everyone else on this forum to do so as well. You are a sick individual, and you're on the wrong forum for that.

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media never reported how bad Tim Kaine did

 

not expecting them (for others reason too) to call out Kamala's lackluster performance either

 

TBH, her attack on Biden in the 1st debate was stronger than any argument she made the entire debate against Pence. It almost seemed like she was going through the motions as someone who went w super high expectations of her. Probably told to tone down her aggression in debating prep.

 

Pence I thought performed even better than in the Kaine debate.. though Kaine made more unforced errors and thus the 2016 debate made more of an impact. The man speaks so much bullshit, but clearly it resonates w blue collar/swing state voters. I'd be nervous if I'm a Republican running in 2024 against him.

 

Was hoping to see some more emotion out of Kamala (which I once again assume debate prep steered away from) bc otherwise she comes across rather disingenuous for most of her arguments. Her points on COVID were her strongest of the night and made it clear why Democrats saw so much potential in her for 2016. Why she never got through to voters though will be a big dilemma if Biden loses... 

 

The fact that most Democrats on twitter are obsessing over a fly instead of any argument/moment Kamala had really says it all. 

 

Could we be seeing a repeat  of 2016? In 2016, Clinton wins the first debate.. BIG surprise (Access Hollywood).. Pence demolishes Kaine... Trump wins 2nd debate clearly.. trump wins 3rd debate. 

 

So far we are on that projection, but if I'm on the Trump campaign, I'm replaying the 2016 town hall debate and telling Trump to behave exactly like that demeanor and tone wise (minus the stalking of Clinton).  

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(serious sorta)

 

Does the fly help Pence/Trump favorability? Perhaps. More relatable and human. 

In many ways it was better it just flew off rather than a clip of Pence actively killing it during the debate.

 

The worst part though was the potential points to African American voters on criminal justice reform was totally lost bc people will be so focused on the fly on YouTube clips. A missed opportunity. Had the fly moment happened during climate change it would have been more beneficial to Pence. 

 

LOL I'm done w fly talk. 

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Here's my take. I'd say Pence did a superb job in the debate and reassured the American people why it's important to support the Republican ticket. He spoke in a calm and friendly way and demonstrated tremendous integrity in his responses. The world needs more leaders like him instead of the hysterical, ''get-out-of-my-way''-people. Harris came off as largely unlikeable and bossy. Harris' performance itself wasn't particular bad, she didn't made a gaffe I noticed, but Pence was simply winning in nearly every argument. He amazingly called out the hypocrisy of Biden and Harris on a large variety of issues. 

She couldn't even answer whether they'll support a new lockdown of the economy or a federal mask mandate if elected... Harris said one out of five businesses had closed permanently, so why she's not ruling out a new lockdown if she's that concerned about the economy?

What if Dr. Fauci AND Trump recommend the same vaccine? Would Harris still not take it out of her blind hatred for the President? She's clearly not interested in the betterment of the situation, because she's also encouraging her supporters to not take the vaccine by acting that way.

Pence nailed it on the swine flu, which was happening under Biden's watch. Thanks God it wasn't as lethal as the current pandemic. If it had been, the Obama-Biden administration would have had a big problem.

With regards to taxes, the bottom line was taxes will be raise under a Biden-Harris administration in order to entitle people to things for free. Pence called the Democratic ticket out for their planed repealing of the GOP tax cuts.

The Biden-Harris ticket also fell over their policies regarding a fracking ban and the Green New Deal, both policies which will hurt America to the utmost. First of all, Harris collaborated with AOC on that. Really? Secondly, what do you think will happen if Greta Thunberg demands a visit with a President Biden and also ''demands'' the US ending fracking immediately? The first people who'll gave in to her will be Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. That's for sure. Ask them what they think about Thunberg. I bet you'll get answers like ''courageous, admirable or a wonderful young female leader''. So, I think it's rather naïve to believe Biden and Harris will defend fracking, fossil fuels, American energy independence etc. in the wake of a radical movement getting their ways in one legislation after the other and making more and more bold assertions... The real thing I'd be worried about in the Democratic camp is, whether the radical left will approve of Harris' cocky announcement to NOT ban fracking or NOT supporting the Green New Deal. Maybe they know it's just a lie and doesn't matter anyway. On a sidenote it's funny Harris mentioned you can visit iwillvote. com and joebiden. com. You can also visit antifa. com it doesn't make difference at all nowadays (the site still redirects to Biden's campaign page and the media doesn't even mention it). 

Another great line which Vice President Pence placed in regards to hypocrisy was about Biden's close ties to China. First of all Biden's criticism of a China travel ban when the US had about five known cases was simply wrong. It's not xenophobic or hysterical, it was simply the only right thing to do. Under a Biden-Harris administration, which would surely be lenient at the border, the virus could have come in large capacities into the US. What did Democrats do in January or February? Nothing for the American people, but focusing on the impeachement. Harris saying the travel ban didn't work out, was wrong. As Vice President Pence said, it bought the US time. I am wondering, didn't she hear Pence's response or is she just negligent about the facts? The People's Republic of China and the WHO were largely unreliable sources in this fight. The first taking every action to cover their own mess up, the later doing virtually nothing on questioning the Chinese regime or pressing them on critical information about the virus. As the Vice President said, Biden never took on China and certainly will never do so. The reason for it is well known. His own son took advantage from the country. Pence delivered strongly on this issue and it should also be well known why Beijing is waiting for a Biden win in come November. 

Biden's foreign policy stances are a disaster on the whole and Pence called that out as well. The Iran Nuclear Deal was ridiculous. What's in for the US if the other side doesn't comply with the rules anyway? Don't make a fool out of yourself, get out and remain out! Under the Obama-Biden administration ISIS claimed a caliphate of the size of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Obama and Biden let that happen and did also nothing to prevent the killing of Kayla Mueller. A ''sorry'' from Senator Harris and Biden doesn't pay off for the failures of Biden and Obama on this issue. You had your chance and you showed you didn't learn the lesson! Why did Biden oppose taking out General Soleimani? An enemy to America should always be taken out when it's possible. But there's clearly a pattern noticeable in Biden here. Osama bin Laden's killing wasn't also supported by him, so yeah ''let the terrorists do their job, we are the good people'' might be his motto. How sad it is we even have to debate whether the missions against these people have been good or not...

Concerning the Supreme Court Pence did an awesome job. Of course Indiana should immediately ban all abortions except when the mother's life is in danger, if Roe v. Wade is about to be finally overturned. I know that, Pence knows that and many other people concerned about the sanctity of life from conception know that (Ralph Northam doesn't by the way). Pence is clearly a man of honor and stands up for what he believes in. His line regarding being unapologetic pro-life was amazing. In normal times the audience should have stood up and salute this brave statement and reminder in which kind of society we live, where half of the population is probably okay with killing unborn or even born children. I don't even discuss Harris' and frankly Biden's position here.

Pence was right when demanding a fair hearing for Judge Amy Coney Barrett and called out the hypocrisy and anti-Catholic rhetoric which lives loudly within some Democrats like Senators Dianne Feinstein or Dick Durbin. Harris, like Biden, dodged the question whether they'll attempt to pack the Supreme Court, the most important institution within the United States. We know why, because that's in the playbook when you can't win by the rules set. Her answer on Lincoln was just lousy. As if General McClellan had ever a real chance to win. Lincoln could have done nothing and would still have won re-election. He didn't give up anything when not filling Chief Justice Taney's seat immediately.

As Pence said calling the United States systemically racist or the largely great law enforcement racist biased is a great insult to what has been built in less than 300 years. No wonder why law enforcement organizations don't support the Biden-Harris campaign... Harris' hypocrisy was mentioned again when Pence referred to her filibustering Tim Scott's criminal justice reform bill.

Harris lied openly on at least three differently occasions. Bold when claiming the other side lies sooo so much. As said by Pence and by me last week it is not true that Trump didn't condemn White Nationalism on the debate stage. She also said Trump called the virus a hoax. Even Jake Tapper said on weekend that Trump didn't call the virus itself a hoax, when Governor Whitmer repeated that lie on his program. Harris also repeated the ''very fine people on both sides''-lie again.

It was quite funny of Harris to mention the so-called broad coalition of people supporting Biden. 8% in the New Hampshire Democratic primary, no law enforcement groups, Colin Powell (what a surprise, he didn't vote for the GOP nominee since 2008) and some members of Bush's cabinet - she doesn't even help Biden here. Bush's sadly largely disliked by Democrats and Republicans alike. No one will say, ''I am going to support Biden, because some Bush cabinet members told me to do so''. That statement the other way round would perhaps be more plausible. 

Pence also got a clear win regarding ''Trump not accepting an election  loss''. First of all the election should be closely watched for electoral fraud (amid a pandemic and massive mail-in voting this a very likely scenario) and furthermore most Democrats have not even accepted Hillary Clinton's defeat yet. Otherwise they hadn't mobilized an impreachment proceeding, which was doomed to fail but cost tremendous ressources and time which could have been used to work against the pandemic.

Regarding the military and Trump ''not liking the troops'', I'll let this video speak and show why Harris is simply misleading again.

 

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I haven't watched the debate. The response on the left seems to be "Harris did well enough, maybe edged Pence, maybe tie." The response on the right seems to be "Pence wiped the floor with Harris." Given various clips I've watched, I would say Pence won this debate - well prepared and steady, he is given the nickname Silver Fox for a reason. Harris' facial expressions probably didn't help her.

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39 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

I'm pretty skeptical of CNN's polling operation, TBH.

CNN doesn't necessarily have a bad polling operation, just sub-par compared to most other major news networks. CBS, Fox News, NY times, ABC are all more reputable in their polls.

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