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10 minutes ago, Patine said:

What "left," does everyone here (and on other forums) keep referring to as real, potent force in American politics, if I may ask? The Green Party USA? The Pirate Party USA? The Peace and Justice Party? The Party of Socialism and Justice? The Socialist Equality Party? The Social Labor Party? The Social Workers' Party? The Communist Party of the USA? The Socialist Party of America? The Progressive Party (the fourth national iteration of that party name, founded in 2015)? The Queer Nation Party? The direct supporters of Bernie Sanders without strong partisan attachment? Or are you, for some reason, referring to the Democratic Party of the United States, whose great and majority bulk of ideologues and leadership are Centrist to Centre-Right? I'm confused here.

As with everything, a scale depends on what you are scaling. The United States' left is vastly different from another nation's.

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No, maybe it’s just that you’re impossible to discuss politics with without writing in 20 page doctoral dissertation form with references, parenthetical citations, and a full fucking bibliography.

*Sigh*

*Yawn*   Its almost as if one is discussing American politics they’ll be discussing within the context of American politics. What a concept!    Please spare us and jump down off your hig

6 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

No, maybe it’s just that you’re impossible to discuss politics with without writing in 20 page doctoral dissertation form with references, parenthetical citations, and a full fucking bibliography.

Maybe you just can't - or won't - see anything in socio-political matters outside a very strict and narrow box - and one which the great majority of the human experience of governance falls well outside of.

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5 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

As with everything, a scale depends on what you are scaling. The United States' left is vastly different from another nation's.

It's been neutered to almost irrelevance by McCarthyist, Libertarian, and Big Corporate lies and scare tactics. And the Clintons, Kerry, Biden, and even Obama are NOT left-wing politicians.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

Maybe you just can't - or won't - see anything in socio-political matters outside a very strict and narrow box - and one which the great majority of the human experience of governance falls well outside of.

*Yawn*
 

Its almost as if one is discussing American politics they’ll be discussing within the context of American politics. What a concept! 
 

Please spare us and jump down off your high horse so that you can discuss your 250 IQ with us mere peons. We would be awed by the shining glory of your galaxy brain.

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4 minutes ago, Patine said:

It's been neutered to almost irrelevance by McCarthyist, Libertarian, and Big Corporate lies and scare tactics. And the Clintons, Kerry, Biden, and even Obama are NOT left-wing politicians.

They are by American standards.

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8 minutes ago, Patine said:

Maybe you just can't - or won't - see anything in socio-political matters outside a very strict and narrow box - and one which the great majority of the human experience of governance falls well outside of.

 

5 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

*Yawn*
 

Its almost as if one is discussing American politics they’ll be discussing within the context of American politics. What a concept! 
 

Please spare us and jump down off your high horse so that you can discuss your 250 IQ with us mere peons. We would be awed by the shining glory of your galaxy brain.

 

2 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

They are by American standards.

I'm siding with @Reagan04 here. @Patine comment is completely out of left field as it pertains to the topic. 

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3 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

I see. I think she's highly qualified and likeable. I am not sure if I had picked her, I had probably interviewed others like Bill Pryor, Thomas Hardiman, Carlos Muniz or Michael H. Park as well and made my decision afterwards. Still Amy Coney Barrett is a remarkable and inspiring woman and I hoped many take her as a role model. It will be interesting if Joe Manchin and Tim Kaine will still support her nomination like they did when Amy was nominated to the federal bench. I hope they do.

The only thing I am worried about is Coney Barrett not supporting the death penalty. That's an important cornerstone of my own conservative philosophy, despite understanding why people of faith could argue against it. I still hold the view that people who have committed the most heinous crimes have insulted God himself and therefore the death penalty is an acceptable form of punishment because these people don't qualify for any clemency.

On a side note I even got tears in my eyes when Amy talked about Justices Scalia's and Ginsburg's genuine friendship. Truly moving and wonderful! 

Let me get this straight:

You are simultaneously pro-life and for the death penalty?

 

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1 minute ago, Zenobiyl said:

 

Let me get this straight:

You are simultaneously pro-life and for the death penalty?

 

There's no such thing as a Pro-Life political stance. It's properly Anti-Abortion and Anti-Euthanasia. The majority of advocate of that viewpoint eagerly support deliberate death by many, many other methods.

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12 minutes ago, Patine said:

It's been neutered to almost irrelevance by McCarthyist, Libertarian, and Big Corporate lies and scare tactics. And the Clintons, Kerry, Biden, and even Obama are NOT left-wing politicians.

And by Saudi Arabian standards Trump is a radical leftist.

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Just now, Zenobiyl said:

And by Saudi Arabian standards Trump is a radical leftist.

No. There's just no Saudis of power anywhere on the Left, or even moderate Centre-Right. Except maybe their generous welfare policy paid for by oil royalties - but only for actual citizens, and they never naturalize foreigners.

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4 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

The only thing I am worried about is Coney Barrett not supporting the death penalty.

She doesn't support the death penalty? Sweet, there's at least one thing I can like about her.

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I highly doubt that Barrett is as conservative as OP believes, she honestly strikes me a Roberts type of justice rather than a true right-winger.  Given my experience with Roman Catholics, I have the feeling that she is type of Catholic that would vote Democrat if it weren't for the abortion issue (abortion is condemned within the Church).  The Catholic Church is full of people that despise the GOP, but cannot bring themselves to vote for the Democrats due to their stance on abortion.

2 hours ago, Zenobiyl said:

And by Saudi Arabian standards Trump is a radical leftist.

To be quite honest, he is not truly "conservative" or right-wing either.  Trump has no real ideological conviction that aligns with the Republican party, at best he is nothing but a populist.

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3 hours ago, CPE said:

To be quite honest, he is not truly "conservative" or right-wing either.  Trump has no real ideological conviction that aligns with the Republican party, at best he is nothing but a populist.

 

5 hours ago, Zenobiyl said:

And by Saudi Arabian standards Trump is a radical leftist.

 

5 hours ago, SilentLiberty said:

I knew Trump was a no good leftist! After all he is friends with Bill Clinton! The shady con-man!

@CPE is actually correct. Bill Clinton, as U.S. President (not including after office philanthropy) was actually more socially and fiscally Conservative than Donald Trump is, himself, now as U.S. President.

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8 hours ago, vcczar said:

It would probably be better to just not say anything that makes it sound like you live here. You sort of have the luxury to desire us to have appalling judges and candidates while not having to live under their rule. What if it were 1938 and an American said, "The only thing I'm worried about is that Wilhelm Miklas won't accept Anschluss." ?

I'd probably get from the Miklas reference that this person would support the Anschluss (if the person lived in Austria). One could also support Austria joining Germany without living in any these countries. Furthermore I'd understand that said person seems to have no problem with the Nazis.

I don't think these people are appalling, I'd swap the politicians from here with some of yours at any time. 

9 hours ago, vcczar said:

A better phrasing would be. "If I lived in America I'd be concerned with her position on the death penalty." Your statement would be alright unchanged if you had plans to live here sometime soon.

This is a pet peeve of mine. It also bothers me when Admin or Patine talk like they live here and no what is good or bad for us.

That's certainly the message I want to send. However, I don't know if it's really necessary to emphasize in each post, that I don't live in the US. I think people know it now. I'd love to have such plans, but I guess it won't happen soon.

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6 hours ago, Zenobiyl said:

Let me get this straight:

You are simultaneously pro-life and for the death penalty?

Aren't most conservatives thinking that way? Don Stenberg for example headed the re-introduction campaign of capital punishment in Nebraska. Many GOP governors favored the death penalty, even George W. Bush despite being anti-abortion.

Not to mention that McCain and even Obama said Kennedy v. Louisiana was a wrong decision in 2008.

There is vast difference between an innocent, unborn life and the life of a mass murderer, terrorist or serial killer. I believe the later has forfeited any rights, because of the crimes committed.

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2 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Aren't most conservatives thinking that way? Don Stenberg for example headed the re-introduction campaign of capital punishment in Nebraska. Many GOP governors favored the death penalty, even George W. Bush despite being anti-abortion.

Not to mention that McCain and even Obama said Kennedy v. Louisiana was a wrong decision in 2008.

There is vast difference between an innocent, unborn life and the life of a mass murderer, terrorist or serial killer. I believe the later has forfeited any rights, because of the crimes committed.

Bringing back the death penalty in Nebraska was one of the shadest things the state government has done in a long long time. And Ricketts is one of the worst governors in the country. His crowning achieve is bringing back the death penalty while also not expanding medical care and refusing to put medical marijuana on the ballot despite it having reached through all the hoops. 

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6 hours ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Aren't most conservatives thinking that way? Don Stenberg for example headed the re-introduction campaign of capital punishment in Nebraska. Many GOP governors favored the death penalty, even George W. Bush despite being anti-abortion.

Not to mention that McCain and even Obama said Kennedy v. Louisiana was a wrong decision in 2008.

There is vast difference between an innocent, unborn life and the life of a mass murderer, terrorist or serial killer. I believe the later has forfeited any rights, because of the crimes committed.

Personally I disagree.

I think everybody is deserving of mercy. Spending the rest of their life in a cell can give them time to regret and repent. Also, there is always the slim possibility someone is wrongfully convicted. 

Still, I understand your rationale.

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6 hours ago, Zenobiyl said:

Personally I disagree.

I think everybody is deserving of mercy. Spending the rest of their life in a cell can give them time to regret and repent. Also, there is always the slim possibility someone is wrongfully convicted. 

Still, I understand your rationale.

As long as they're not spending the rest of their life in a cell doing Unconstitutional and illegal slave labour for corporate profits and to save immoral State Government "infrastructure costs." It's in blatant violation of the 14th, and morally repugnant and should also be dealt with firmly - and shut down as a practice completely and unconditionally. The private prison corporations, State Governors and Lawmakers, and police, court officials, and correctional all fully involved are no better, ethically speaking, that those who lure illegal immigrants to the country on false pretense and then force them to work in sweat shops, or those vile and disgusting who kidnap or lure young women (or young men) into the lurid and inhuman sex slave trade - they're all the in the boat - as ILLEGAL SLAVERS - and should be viewed no differently from each other. And one of the big reasons I think Harris' nomination for Biden's running is just a tragedy - was she was very much a part of this as a prosecutor.

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Barrett's participation in 2006 ad calling for overturn of Roe v. Wade was not included in Senate disclosures

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/barrett-s-participation-2006-ad-calling-overturn-roe-v-wade-n1241738

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the two-page ad published in the South Bend Tribune, which included her name in a long list of those in support, was not disclosed in the Senate forms required of judicial nominees but maintain it should have been

 

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1 hour ago, pilight said:

Barrett's participation in 2006 ad calling for overturn of Roe v. Wade was not included in Senate disclosures

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/barrett-s-participation-2006-ad-calling-overturn-roe-v-wade-n1241738

 

Not a big surprise really. GOP have been crystal clear in their goals, and what they will do to achieve them.

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I'm tired of these activist judges 🤣

But seriously. This is very personal to a lot of people, and it is why some hedge on ACB. I get that she hasn't said anything directly on the issue, so it may be a bit of a blank, but the fact that Thomas and Alito are making rumblings right now probably isn't helping her with liberals/moderates who she needs to get on board with the idea of her as a justice. Roberts, Scalia and Thomas dissented on Obergefell v. Hodges. Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and (probably) Coney Barrett will have joined since then - replacing three justices that voted to legalize gay marriage. You can believe what you want about what those three would rule - but there is genuine concern.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/05/politics/clarence-thomas-samuel-alito/index.html

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4 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

Ahhh, after a long day a good read about your two favorite justices on the bench. What on earth could one desire more? 

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