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  1. 1. See the Data in the First Post: Who do you think wins if the election were today?

  2. 2. Which candidate is probably more religious?

  3. 3. Which candidate is more Christ-like?

  4. 4. Which of the following politicians have high integrity? Check all that apply

  5. 5. Check all the statements regarding a Supreme Court Justice that more or less overlap with your own opinion.

    • A justice should be allowed to making rulings based off Christian dogma if they so wish.
    • A justice should be able to make rulings based off their personal Christian faith.
    • A justice should be allowed to be a judicial activist for their faith (i.e. actively promoting and advocating rulings based on the tenants of the Religious Right)
    • A justice should be allowed to make rulings based on Constitutional law -- and not bias their decisions through religious faith.
    • A justice should be allowed to make rulings based on a secular mindset, since we are not officially a Christian nation (and becoming less Christian each year).
    • A justice should be allowed to make strict, originalist interpretations of law and the US Constitution.
    • A justice should be allowed to make broad interpretations of the US Constitution considering that US Constitution is often vague and the expectations of government and society change over time.
    • A justice should be allowed to use their political bias in making decisions.
    • A justice should be allowed to be a reliable vote for the president that appointed them.
    • A justice should be free to completely change their political ideology and voting patterns once they've been confirmed if they so wish.
    • A justice should be allowed to make any ruling they wish and should not be required to explain why.
    • A justice should never be compelled to resign based off age or minor mental or physical decline.
    • A justice should be required to have judicial experience, even if a party has the vote and determination to make them a justice.
    • A justice shouldn't be within the age range of 18-35, even if a party has the vote and determination to make them a justice.
    • A justice should not be foreign born.
    • A justice should not be LGBT
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    • A justice should not be Muslim
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    • A justice must have a college-level education
    • A justice should have the entire US Constitution memorized.
    • A justice should have all the significant court cases from history memorized.
    • A justice should not be a member of a political party.
    • A justice should not be a Socialist
    • A justice should be term-limited.
    • A justice should have a retirement age.
    • A justice must be required to be of a certain age to be nominated.
    • A justice must be required to have been a federal judge in a lower court for a specific number of years to be nominated to the SC.
    • A new Chief Justice must be nominated from the Associate Justices of the SC, since that makes the most sense.
    • The Associate Justices should take turns being Chief Justice.
    • Any justice with a history of misbehavior, including during their college days, should be barred from being a SC Justice.
    • SC Justices should also be approved and/or vetoed by voters either by a straight majority or perhaps a 60%.


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Because Biden's campaign structure is so unprecedented (no rallies, little barnstorming, no door knocking, emphasis instead on virtual events) it's tough to judge whether this is a squandering of time.

Is this part of a play it safe strategy (limit candidate exposure, especially one so prone to gaffes as Biden)? Is it simply he's focusing on activities that aren't amenable to a press pool (private fundraisers, maybe virtual events or interviews)? Health issues holding him back? Or what?

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Based off our responses here is how we rank as SC Justice with Rigid Traditionalist Originalists at the top and Broad Progressive Reformists at the bottom: 1. @Conservative Elector 2 (Actually no

I don't think I'd call myself a swing judge. Though perhaps a poll should be made about different types of jurisprudence as well and we assemble a sim court. That might be fun.

One thing I've noticed in Philadelphia is that there's a Joe Biden ad on TV like every 30 minutes. I see only two Trump ads a day. I think Biden's campaign might be doing a lot of "non-personal" campa

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1 minute ago, admin_270 said:

Yes, some of this has to do with private fundraisers.

One thing I've noticed in Philadelphia is that there's a Joe Biden ad on TV like every 30 minutes. I see only two Trump ads a day. I think Biden's campaign might be doing a lot of "non-personal" campaigning. I've also received a lot of Biden stuff in the mail every week, and I haven't seen a single Trump brochure or anything. 

I'm a surprised though that there aren't many op-eds or articles out complaining or bring more notice to the lack of campaigning, even when I search for it. They'll be one very so often but not as many as would make the campaign strategy seem reckless or anything like that. This is probably due to Biden's lead and to being the cautious with Covid candidate. Going out on campaign would mean encouraging people to group together to see the campaign speech and etc. 

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3 minutes ago, vcczar said:

One thing I've noticed in Philadelphia is that there's a Joe Biden ad on TV like every 30 minutes. I see only two Trump ads a day. I think Biden's campaign might be doing a lot of "non-personal" campaigning. I've also received a lot of Biden stuff in the mail every week, and I haven't seen a single Trump brochure or anything. 

I'm a surprised though that there aren't many op-eds or articles out complaining or bring more notice to the lack of campaigning, even when I search for it. They'll be one very so often but not as many as would make the campaign strategy seem reckless or anything like that. This is probably due to Biden's lead and to being the cautious with Covid candidate. Going out on campaign would mean encouraging people to group together to see the campaign speech and etc. 

I have gotten a ton of Greenfield stuff in the mail. Not a single thing from another campaign. I think Dems are more used to the types of campaigning not in person so its easier for them. 

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Because Biden's campaign structure is so unprecedented (no rallies, little barnstorming, no door knocking, emphasis instead on virtual events) it's tough to judge whether this is a squandering of time.

Is this part of a play it safe strategy (limit candidate exposure, especially one so prone to gaffes as Biden)? Is it simply he's focusing on activities that aren't amenable to a press pool (private fundraisers, maybe virtual events or interviews)? Health issues holding him back? Or what?

I don't think its health issues. He gave a lengthy town hall and stood up the entire time and answered the questions with remarkable depth, even if you disagreed with his position. I think that CNN pretty much knocked the dementia argument out of the water, if you saw it. Trump's town hall was much different. He sat the entire time and provided almost no depth to his responses, whether one agreed with his positions or not. If one used the town hall's exclusively to portray physical and mental health, then Biden would win on both counts. 

Of these other points, I think limiting gaffes could be part of it. However, I think being the Covid Cautious candidate could be a huge part. It would be hypocritical to tell people to wear masks, stay safely distant, or stay at home if you can, if you are going to events that bring large crowds. Basically, he's got a situation that allows him to do more private stuff than a candidate normally wouldn't be able to do. 

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19 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Because Biden's campaign structure is so unprecedented (no rallies, little barnstorming, no door knocking, emphasis instead on virtual events) it's tough to judge whether this is a squandering of time.

Is this part of a play it safe strategy (limit candidate exposure, especially one so prone to gaffes as Biden)? Is it simply he's focusing on activities that aren't amenable to a press pool (private fundraisers, maybe virtual events or interviews)? Health issues holding him back? Or what?

Only about as unprecedented a campaign structure as Abraham Lincoln's. ;)

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

You mean in past campaigns? Good question. In 2016, how often were Trump and Clinton calling lids by noon, 45 days before the election? I dunno ... 

Even compared to the Republicans would be something.  Right now it's just a number without context.

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7 minutes ago, pilight said:

Even compared to the Republicans would be something.  Right now it's just a number without context.

Ya, problem w that is Trump is POTUS, so time for campaigning isn't symmetrical. 2016 is comparable for both candidates, though.

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25 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Here's H. Clinton's campaign schedule for Sep. 2016

http://www.p2016.org/clinton/clintoncal0916.html

Doesn't give times, but gives sense of number of events.

Lots of NY events which doesn't help win battleground states. I know it was for fundraising, but she had a ton of money and was kind of stingy about spending it. 

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Biden could also be using time for debate prep. First one is in just a week.

Possible. Trump claims to not be practicing, but he may just be trying to lower his expectation so his bar for "winning" the debate isn't too high. He and his campaign have also been hyping up Biden's debate skill this week, probably for that purpose. 

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21 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Possible. Trump claims to not be practicing, but he may just be trying to lower his expectation so his bar for "winning" the debate isn't too high. He and his campaign have also been hyping up Biden's debate skill this week, probably for that purpose. 

I believe it’s almost certainly true that Trump is not practicing, because:

1) He won the election last time despite going up against an infinitely more experienced candidate, so why bother?

2) Practicing would be admitting that he isn’t already god’s gift to debating, so why bother?

3) Debate prep is hard and the prep isn’t on tv, so why bother?

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36 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Lots of NY events which doesn't help win battleground states. I know it was for fundraising, but she had a ton of money and was kind of stingy about spending it. 

Her campaign was deeply in debt after 2008.  I remember news stories about how furious she was that Obama’s campaign wasn’t immediately bailing her out after she dropped out and endorsed him.

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Based off our responses here is how we rank as SC Justice with Rigid Traditionalist Originalists at the top and Broad Progressive Reformists at the bottom:

1. @Conservative Elector 2 (Actually no one was even close to as Rigid Traditionalist Originalist as him -- he'd be way right of Scalia, resembling something closer to a judge in a theocracy.)

2. @Reagan04 (the next most conservative judge is actually something of a swing judge -- think Justice Kennedy or Chief Justice Roberts)

3. @SilentLiberty (basically the same as Reagan04)

4. @WVProgressive (Kind of a surprise. This places him about where Merrick Garland likely would have been as a Justice. Would only very occasionally swing right.)

5. @ThePotatoWalrus (This makes even less sense. This placed him as a left-leaning judge that may occasionally swing right; however, this is almost entirely based on PotatoWalrus favoring almost all the reform statements. 

6. @Mark_W (Reliable liberal judge)

7. @PringlesN7 (Reliable liberal judge)

8. @jnewt (Reliable liberal judge)

9. @Rodja (Likely an activist liberal judge on par with RGB)

10. @Alxeu (Basically the same as Rodja)

11. @Actinguy (Likely to be left of even RGB, especially on reform)

12. @Hestia11 (same as Actinguy)

13. @MysteryKnight (Would arguably be the most progressive judge in SC history)

14. @vcczar (Out of orbit progressive judge;  Favored all reform suggestions. Wants to fundamentally change the judicial branch.)

 

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2 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Based off our responses here is how we rank as SC Justice with Rigid Traditionalist Originalists at the top and Broad Progressive Reformists at the bottom:

1. @Conservative Elector 2 (Actually no one was even close to as Rigid Traditionalist Originalist as him -- he'd be way right of Scalia, resembling something closer to a judge in a theocracy.)

2. @Reagan04 (the next most conservative judge is actually something of a swing judge -- think Justice Kennedy or Chief Justice Roberts)

3. @SilentLiberty (basically the same as Reagan04)

4. @WVProgressive (Kind of a surprise. This places him about where Merrick Garland likely would have been as a Justice. Would only very occasionally swing right.)

5. @ThePotatoWalrus (This makes even less sense. This placed him as a left-leaning judge that may occasionally swing right; however, this is almost entirely based on PotatoWalrus favoring almost all the reform statements. 

6. @Mark_W (Reliable liberal judge)

7. @PringlesN7 (Reliable liberal judge)

8. @jnewt (Reliable liberal judge)

9. @Rodja (Likely an activist liberal judge on par with RGB)

10. @Alxeu (Basically the same as Rodja)

11. @Actinguy (Likely to be left of even RGB, especially on reform)

12. @Hestia11 (same as Actinguy)

13. @MysteryKnight (Would arguably be the most progressive judge in SC history)

14. @vcczar (Out of orbit progressive judge;  Favored all reform suggestions. Wants to fundamentally change the judicial branch.)

 

Wow, reliable Liberal? Interesting. I mean, I know I chose that politicians should make broad interpretations but there should also be strict ones. Depends on the issue and the thought process behind it. I thought I'd be considered a swing judge. lol, If an attempt was made to overturn Roe v Wade I'd likely oppose it. But say... confiscation of all weapons in the US except handguns? I would oppose that. Interesting, nevertheless.

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59 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Based off our responses here is how we rank as SC Justice with Rigid Traditionalist Originalists at the top and Broad Progressive Reformists at the bottom:

1. @Conservative Elector 2 (Actually no one was even close to as Rigid Traditionalist Originalist as him -- he'd be way right of Scalia, resembling something closer to a judge in a theocracy.)

2. @Reagan04 (the next most conservative judge is actually something of a swing judge -- think Justice Kennedy or Chief Justice Roberts)

3. @SilentLiberty (basically the same as Reagan04)

4. @WVProgressive (Kind of a surprise. This places him about where Merrick Garland likely would have been as a Justice. Would only very occasionally swing right.)

5. @ThePotatoWalrus (This makes even less sense. This placed him as a left-leaning judge that may occasionally swing right; however, this is almost entirely based on PotatoWalrus favoring almost all the reform statements. 

6. @Mark_W (Reliable liberal judge)

7. @PringlesN7 (Reliable liberal judge)

8. @jnewt (Reliable liberal judge)

9. @Rodja (Likely an activist liberal judge on par with RGB)

10. @Alxeu (Basically the same as Rodja)

11. @Actinguy (Likely to be left of even RGB, especially on reform)

12. @Hestia11 (same as Actinguy)

13. @MysteryKnight (Would arguably be the most progressive judge in SC history)

14. @vcczar (Out of orbit progressive judge;  Favored all reform suggestions. Wants to fundamentally change the judicial branch.)

 

I don't think I'd call myself a swing judge. Though perhaps a poll should be made about different types of jurisprudence as well and we assemble a sim court. That might be fun.

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4 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I don't think I'd call myself a swing judge. Though perhaps a poll should be made about different types of jurisprudence as well and we assemble a sim court. That might be fun.

Why don't you make it since you have an idea of what you want it to be like. Make sure you make the votes public so we can see how people voted. I wish I wasn't the only person making polls. 

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5 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Why don't you make it since you have an idea of what you want it to be like. Make sure you make the votes public so we can see how people voted. I wish I wasn't the only person making polls. 

ok!

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7 hours ago, admin_270 said:

Because Biden's campaign structure is so unprecedented (no rallies, little barnstorming, no door knocking, emphasis instead on virtual events) it's tough to judge whether this is a squandering of time.

Is this part of a play it safe strategy (limit candidate exposure, especially one so prone to gaffes as Biden)? Is it simply he's focusing on activities that aren't amenable to a press pool (private fundraisers, maybe virtual events or interviews)? Health issues holding him back? Or what?

Probably a smart strategy.  I guess well find out why hes hiding next week for the debates.

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4 hours ago, vcczar said:

Based off our responses here is how we rank as SC Justice with Rigid Traditionalist Originalists at the top and Broad Progressive Reformists at the bottom:

1. @Conservative Elector 2 (Actually no one was even close to as Rigid Traditionalist Originalist as him -- he'd be way right of Scalia, resembling something closer to a judge in a theocracy.)

2. @Reagan04 (the next most conservative judge is actually something of a swing judge -- think Justice Kennedy or Chief Justice Roberts)

3. @SilentLiberty (basically the same as Reagan04)

4. @WVProgressive (Kind of a surprise. This places him about where Merrick Garland likely would have been as a Justice. Would only very occasionally swing right.)

5. @ThePotatoWalrus (This makes even less sense. This placed him as a left-leaning judge that may occasionally swing right; however, this is almost entirely based on PotatoWalrus favoring almost all the reform statements. 

6. @Mark_W (Reliable liberal judge)

7. @PringlesN7 (Reliable liberal judge)

8. @jnewt (Reliable liberal judge)

9. @Rodja (Likely an activist liberal judge on par with RGB)

10. @Alxeu (Basically the same as Rodja)

11. @Actinguy (Likely to be left of even RGB, especially on reform)

12. @Hestia11 (same as Actinguy)

13. @MysteryKnight (Would arguably be the most progressive judge in SC history)

14. @vcczar (Out of orbit progressive judge;  Favored all reform suggestions. Wants to fundamentally change the judicial branch.)

 

Love your ranking.

My difficulty was a bit that many options had a definitive phrasing like "must" or ''should be allowed to''. I chose the things I am more or less ok with, but basically I am against limiting someone like a justice in their personal way of conducting things. Like when you are allowed to do something it doesn't mean you should do it as well.

Also with that "A new Chief Justice must be nominated from the Associate Justices of the SC, since that makes the most sense.": I prefer it that way, but it shouldn't be a ''must'' I think.

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