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Should Biden debate Trump with Joe Rogan as moderator?  

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  1. 1. Should Biden debate Trump with Joe Rogan as moderator?

    • Yes - Rogan would make for a refreshing moderator, and the more debates, the better informed the public.
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    • No way - Rogan has shown himself to be biased, likening Biden to a 'a flickering flashlight', and 3 debates is enough.
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5 hours ago, Hestia11 said:

Not when someone is being inherently disrespectful with their view. 

You seem to not even be aware of what the problem is here.

Here's a similar situation. If someone claims, as part of their deep-felt identity, that Jesus is Lord, and starts demanding that others refer to Jesus as Lord, and someone says "Sorry, I don't believe that, I'm not going to use terms like 'Lord', or 'A.D.' for that matter" they are not necessarily trying to be inherently disrepectful.

Rather, they have a belief that the person is *incorrect*, and as a matter of personal integrity will not use the terms.

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17 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

You seem to not even be aware of what the problem is here.

Here's a similar situation. If someone claims, as part of their deep-felt identity, that Jesus is Lord, and starts demanding that others refer to Jesus as Lord, and someone says "Sorry, I don't believe that, I'm not going to use terms like 'Lord', or 'A.D.' for that matter" they are not necessarily trying to be inherently disrepectful.

Rather, they have a belief that the person is *incorrect*, and as a matter of personal integrity will not use the terms.

But you also seem to not be aware of what the difference is.

You can't force someone to call Christ the King the Lord our Savior as what he actually is, the King the Lord our Savior.

But you can ask that somone respect your personal identity. Folks with gender dysphoria have a mental illness (which is totally ok!) that results from the fact that their brains are stuck in the wrong body. We have studies that show that trans folks have brains more biologically similar to their identified gender than their assigned-sex. Any other time someone has a mental illness, take ADHD, we treat it. We don't tell people "no, you don't have it and you can't make me think you have it and you can't make me respect or accomodate your learning different/ADHD". That would be disastrous, especially in the confines of education. 

But that disaster pales in comparison that the disaster caused by misgendering trans folks can be. It can and does severely damage many people (thankfully many trans folks are used to transphobes being assholes but that's not everyone). Especially when it's a parent or close friend that is purposefully invalidating that person, the mental ramifications can be catastrophic. The reality is that treating gender dysphoria means helping people transition and correcting the dysphoric experience. It's all about helping people embrace their identity, not trying to stuff them into a box which they simply don't fit.

Be kind, respect others identity's and personl experience. Don't be a dick. It's not that hard.

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I'll try one more time, but I think @Hestia11 isn't engaging in a good faith argument, so it'll be the last time. If someone identified as a cat, felt like a cat, liked to purr all day, curl up in a ball in the sun next to the window, lie down on car hoods on cool days, and so on, and asked you to start calling them a 'cat', would you? Maybe you'd indulge them - or maybe you'd say "You're not a cat."

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Just now, admin_270 said:

I'll try one more time, but I think @Hestia11 isn't engaging in a good faith argument, so it'll be the last time. If someone identified as a cat, felt like a cat, liked to purr all day, curl up in a ball in the sun next to the window, lie down on car hoods on cool days, and so on, and asked you to start calling them a 'cat', would you? Maybe you'd indulge them - or maybe you'd say "You're not a cat."

The difference between the two is the weight and science of the entire accredited medical and psychological community is against you and your crazy cat analogies and with us and the real experiences with gender dysphoria that ACTUAL TRANS PEOPLE (not analogies and metaphorical ethereal beings conjured by you to support your arguments) face and live with every day.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

The difference between the two is the weight and science of the entire accredited medical and psychological community is against you and your crazy cat analogies and with us and the real experiences with gender dysphoria that ACTUAL TRANS PEOPLE (not analogies and metaphorical ethereal beings conjured by you to support your arguments) face and live with every day.

You seem to think I'm denying gender dysphoria exists. You don't understand the argument.

In the example, the person *really does* feel like a cat. They have 'species dysphoria', say.

The question isn't whether someone really does feel like they're 'in the wrong body', the question is whether they can change from 'man' to 'woman', say. If someone doesn't believe this is possible, then saying otherwise would be lying.

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3 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

Thats downright insulting to suggest its similar to someone saying theyre a cat - a literal animal. Maybe as the admin you should be more mindful of what you say to other people on this forum that impact some members.

You've never heard of species dysphoria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

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1 minute ago, admin_270 said:

You've never heard of species dysphoria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

This, again, is largely a religious belief. Species Dysphoria (Otherkin) is not remotely similar to the medical science surrounding gender dysphoria. Are you specifically trying to get a rise out of people here? What do you gain from antagonizing the trans community in such a demeaing fashion?

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

This, again, is largely a religious belief. Species Dysphoria (Otherkin) is not remotely similar to the medical science surrounding gender dysphoria. Are you specifically trying to get a rise out of people here? What do you gain from antagonizing the trans community in such a demeaing fashion?

You're not really grokking it.

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8 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

You seem to think I'm denying gender dysphoria exists. You don't understand the argument.

In the example, the person *really does* feel like a cat. They have 'species dysphoria', say.

The question isn't whether someone really does feel like they're 'in the wrong body', the question is whether they can change from 'man' to 'woman', say. If someone doesn't believe this is possible, then saying otherwise would be lying.

If someone doesn't believe this than they should acquaint themselves with science. I'm not going to accomodate science denialism. I will, however, do my absolute best to help them understand the science. Beyond that, society doesn't have to stoop to the level of folks that don't understand 21st century medicine in order to accomodate them. We don't need to backslide to the lowest common denominator.

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9 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Can you rephrase this? I don't follow what you're saying.

I mean that I can't force someone to believe what I know to be true in a religious context. Yes, absolutely, Christ is the Lord, the King, and our Savior. But that's a religious take and I can't force you to believe that.

Just now, admin_270 said:

You're not really grokking it.

I should say the same to you.

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4 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

You've never heard of species dysphoria?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species_dysphoria

This article doesn't list any specific religions by name that practice this belief, and it doesn't look like any religion of predigree, establishment, and respect that wasn't a product of the Victoria Occult Age or Modern "Pop Religion," and "Protest Religion," ages ever practiced or observed it.

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

If someone doesn't believe this than they should equate themselves with science. I'm not going to accomodate science denialism. I will, however, do my absolute best to help them understand the science. Beyond that, society doesn't have to stoop to the level of folks that don't understand 21st century medicine in order to accomodate them. We don't need to backslide to the lowest common denominator.

You seem to think the science supports a man being able to become a woman, or vice versa. Only if you change the definition of those terms to refer to something psychological, as opposed to what the words meant until about 10 years ago - namely, something rooted in biology, having to do with chromosomes, gametes, and sexual organs.

I give you there has been a concerted effort, starting largely in academia, to change the meaning of the words, so that 'man' and 'woman' refer to something more psychological than biological. But that's what the whole debate is about - not a premise, but a conclusion!

Here, our hypothetical person believes men cannot become women, because our person believes those are defined by characteristics that cannot really change and not by simply psychological factors that add up to 'identity'.

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