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This is interesting. In Somalia, Trump has more drone strikes than Bush and obama (my o key doesn't work and replacement keyboard is going crazy) combined. To his credit, he has far less civilians killed than Bush, but that may have more to do with experience and fine-tuning than with intent. He's also likely to surpass obama in Yemen and other areas if he wins a 2nd term. He's also on pace to kill far more civilians than obama if he wins a 2nd term. He has possibly killed more already in Somalia than obama did in two terms. 

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https://www.newamerica.org/international-security/reports/americas-counterterrorism-wars/the-war-in-somalia/

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7 hours ago, vcczar said:

This is interesting. In Somalia, Trump has more drone strikes than Bush and obama (my o key doesn't work and replacement keyboard is going crazy) combined. To his credit, he has far less civilians killed than Bush, but that may have more to do with experience and fine-tuning than with intent. He's also likely to surpass obama in Yemen and other areas if he wins a 2nd term. He's also on pace to kill far more civilians than obama if he wins a 2nd term. He has possibly killed more already in Somalia than obama did in two terms. 

Sources: 

https://www.newamerica.org/international-security/reports/americas-counterterrorism-wars/the-war-in-somalia/

Ron Paul had it nailed for the best foreign and military policy (as well as completely dissolving all the cloak-and-dagger, unaccountable alphabet soup agencies outright). His domestic and trade policies leave something - A LOT - to be desired, though.

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27 minutes ago, Patine said:

Ron Paul had it nailed for the best foreign and military policy (as well as completely dissolving all the cloak-and-dagger, unaccountable alphabet soup agencies outright). His domestic and trade policies leave something - A LOT - to be desired, though.

Yeah his domestic policies make him not worth considering. 

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11 hours ago, vcczar said:

Yeah his domestic policies make him not worth considering. 

Ditto for his foreign and military policies.  

Folks who support US isolationism are going to be so surprised when they find out that WWI and WWII happened.

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40 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

Ditto for his foreign and military policies.  

Folks who support US isolationism are going to be so surprised when they find out that WWI and WWII happened.

Fun Fact: Ron Paul is in no way an isolationist.

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1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

Fun Fact: Ron Paul is in no way an isolationist.

True. He's just against the flagrant adventurism and interventionism the U.S. has constantly engaged in - with less and less burden of real justification and constantly lying to it's own citizens about the motives therefor - and against maintaining permanent bases off of U.S. soil.

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1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

Fun Fact: Ron Paul is in no way an isolationist.

From a 2011 piece in Foreign Policy:

Paul uneasily falls into a long-silenced tradition in Republican politics of isolationist thought. While Paul is often quick to note that he is not an economic protectionist (and thus, he claims, not an isolationist) he is, says Christopher Nichols, a historian at the University of Pennsylvania who has written extensively on isolationism, more of a political isolationist. He doesn’t want America to turn its back from the world; he wants rather to end all alliances and international arrangements to which the United States is a participant. Indeed, Paul is even more radical in his views than the Idaho Republican Senator William Borah and Ohio Senator Robert Taft, who were the standard bearers of GOP isolationism in the 1930s and 1940s. According to Nichols, Paul’s foreign policy attitudes are much more influenced by his libertarian absolutism than by the legacy of Borah and Taft. 

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32 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

He doesn’t want America to turn its back from the world; he wants rather to end all alliances and international arrangements to which the United States is a participant.

Yikes. 

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