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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/donald-trump-casts-doubt-on-navalny-poisoning-saying-us-hasnt-had-any-proof

I'm surprised that Trump didnt agree Russia likely had a hand in it. What motivation would China have to poison a Russian dissident? Not much. It seems like an easy win fluttered away - not sure why he didn't just agree. All the dots connect besides the Kremlin saying "we did it!" Sure there isnt concrete proof about it, but novichok is known to be used by the Russian state (like they used in England a year or two ago), plus him being a prominent opposition figure.

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43 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/donald-trump-casts-doubt-on-navalny-poisoning-saying-us-hasnt-had-any-proof

I'm surprised that Trump didnt agree Russia likely had a hand in it. What motivation would China have to poison a Russian dissident? Not much. It seems like an easy win fluttered away - not sure why he didn't just agree. All the dots connect besides the Kremlin saying "we did it!" Sure there isnt concrete proof about it, but novichok is known to be used by the Russian state (like they used in England a year or two ago), plus him being a prominent opposition figure.

The U.S. Government getting involved in those kinds of things would probably air all their dirty laundry of assassinating foreign nations for insidious and sociopathic reasons - such as to silence them from speaking, publishing, or broadcasting things on American Government vile evil. No U.S. President has a vested in getting into that quagmire - as least from a soullessly pragmatic viewpoint - especial against Vladimir Putin, the very man who coined the counter-productive and passive-aggressive term "whataboutism," into the current parlance - despite English being his third or fourth best language.

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

The U.S. Government getting involved in those kinds of things would probably air all their dirty laundry of assassinating foreign nations for insidious and sociopathic reasons - such as to silence them from speaking, publishing, or broadcasting things on American Government vile evil. No U.S. President has a vested in getting into that quagmire - as least from a soullessly pragmatic viewpoint - especial against Vladimir Putin, the very man who coined the counter-productive and passive-aggressive term "whataboutism," into the current parlance - despite English being his third or fourth best language.

Its not hard to be like, "Russia did it." Thats all it requires. Its not a hard test in any way. Merkel did it, so he can too. 

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2 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

Its not hard to be like, "Russia did it." Thats all it requires. Its not a hard test in any way. Merkel did it, so he can too. 

Still, it's not like any U.S. President would have a moral upper hand, there. It would be like Gotti accusing El Chapo of murder - as though he actually believed murder was wrong...

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Just now, Patine said:

Still, it's not like any U.S. President would have a moral upper hand, there. It would be like Gotti accusing El Chapo of murder - as though he actually believed was wrong...

Mhmm okay but we've had this discussion before. They're separate incidents. Poisonings=bad no matter where especially on political opponents. 

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Just now, Hestia11 said:

Mhmm okay but we've had this discussion before. They're separate incidents. Poisonings=bad no matter where especially on political opponents. 

Yes, because doing it by commando raid or drone or missile attack is so much more honourable, ethical, and good-hearted. And, Scalia's death - as despicable as he was - is still quite suspicious - though I don't claim to KNOW any hard facts on that.

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Just now, Patine said:

Yes, because doing it by commando raid or drone or missile attack is so much more honourable, ethical, and good-hearted. And, Scalia's death - as despicable as he was - is still quite suspicious - though I don't claim to KNOW any hard facts on that.

Once again Im not debating whats a better way to die or whats more ethical or what isnt. It cheapens the argument that was brought up in the first place and makes it seem like the poisoning, in your mind, didnt really matter when I know that isnt what you are trying to say. 

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6 minutes ago, Hestia11 said:

Once again Im not debating whats a better way to die or whats more ethical or what isnt. It cheapens the argument that was brought up in the first place and makes it seem like the poisoning, in your mind, didnt really matter when I know that isnt what you are trying to say. 

It does matter. Very much so. Both Russia and the U.S. have a lot of hardened, sociopathic criminals of the worst sort who are getting away with MURDER - and they should face justice - REAL justice, not the shams currently offered in their two home countries. The part that bothers me is you demanding Trump to self-righteously throw stones from a glass (White) House. Merkel's position is better poised - other than conspiracy theories from far-right and far-left groups in Europe, there is no strong evidence that any German leader (outside the DDR) has arranged an assassination of a political opponent or foreign national since Adolf Hitler.

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