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On 5/20/2020 at 6:24 PM, SilentLiberty said:

Remember all those celebrities who said they were going to move if Trump win in 2016? Where'd they go?

Same place as all those right wing radio gasbags who said they'd move if Obama won, I'd guess

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On 5/22/2020 at 6:18 PM, pilight said:

Same place as all those right wing radio gasbags who said they'd move if Obama won, I'd guess

Genuinely curious - do you have any high profile right-wing figures who promised to move if Obama won? A quick google doesn't turn up anything for me.

The problem for Republicans is Canada and most other European countries are more socialist than the U.S. So where would they move to?

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11 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

The problem for Republicans is Canada and most other European countries are more socialist than the U.S. So where would they move to?

You haven't been to Alberta, lately, have you? :(

Also, calling Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Estonia socialist, or left-leaning, shows your just viewing a solid "European political bloc," and not taking individual countries into account separately.

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57 minutes ago, Patine said:

You haven't been to Alberta, lately, have you? :(

Also, calling Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Estonia socialist, or left-leaning, shows your just viewing a solid "European political bloc," and not taking individual countries into account separately.

Just found this old meme on my phone lmao perfect timing

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

The problem for Republicans is Canada and most other European countries are more socialist than the U.S. So where would they move to?

Yeah, there really isn't a GOP ideal outside of their imagination of what the US is or what it should be. It seems the closest thing they could do is just create unincorporated communities in isolated parts of the US, which some do. 

Democrats at least have the luxury of having places that seem, at least on paper, to be attractive alternatives. However, some of these countries are rather nationalistic in their policies regarding residence, employment, benefits, welfare, citizenship, etc. 

 

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6 hours ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Just found this old meme on my phone lmao perfect timing

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There are a fair number of overlooked U.S. policies, like certain resource management policies, government-owned corporation, the specific way the U.S. does military requisition, supply, contracting, and land acquisition, very intrusive laws on private citizens (obstensibly to combat organized crime and terrorism), and, even though this last one is State and Local, eminent domain - laws and policies almost always passed by Republicans or more conservative Democrats, that, in a "broad and expansive definition of Socialism," which is, I'm sure, what Anthony meant, are very reminiscent of, could be argued as outright being, Socialist policies very similar - other than labelling, justification, pretense, or specific enforcement - to old Soviet ones. Policies that Anthony always puts as right-wing election issues in his "official," U.S.-based scenarios, in fact. A VERY interesting thought to consider.

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On 5/21/2020 at 12:55 AM, vcczar said:

Anywhere we could find work. I'd like to keep teaching at a University. If I can get a lot of work teaching English to foreigners, I'd do that too. If I had a choice, I'd say UK, Scandinavia, Germany, Czech Republic. 

Not the UK - it's under boot of one of the most malicious governments in its history - it handled this disaster FAR worse than even the United States could, and those who perpetuated it are unapologetic about it!

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Just now, Wiw said:

Not the UK - it's under boot of one of the most malicious governments in its history

Do you really want to challenge a dedicated student of world history with a strong focus on the political aspect to prove your hyperbolic and counter-productive doomsaying dead wrong, again. You don't KNOW tyranny! And neither do most Americans whining about Trump - or about "socialistic Democrats," for that matter.

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3 minutes ago, Wiw said:

I said it was malicious. I didn't say it was tyranny!

 

You also said it was "one of the most malicious in history." That's also very over-the-top and hyperbolic.

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Well what can I say? They cut the heart out of the NHS... the PMs they put up bypassed Parliament on numerous issues... they're sending kids out to school and possibly their deaths when they catch the Virus... that's not even scraping the surface.

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2 minutes ago, Wiw said:

Well what can I say? They cut the heart out of the NHS... the PMs they put up bypassed Parliament on numerous issues... they're sending kids out to school and possibly their deaths when they catch the Virus... that's not even scraping the surface.

I'm sure Czar Ivan the Terrible would cry at the injustices...

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Just now, Wiw said:

But you see what I'm getting at, don't you? Our continued loyalty to modern conservatism leaves us no guarantees for tomorrow.

I think you, and many others, are targeting the wrong enemy, in the end. Most of these politicians - conservative, moderate, liberal, mostly - are actually beholden to, and kowtowing to, and on the strings of, the real threat - the Plutocratic Oligarchy. But, if you suggest taking the necessary steps to deal with that - the greatest political threat we face in the world today - you're called a "Communist," and an enemy of "prosperity, freedom, and opportunity," and "wanting to crash the economy into Third World status," and "economically illiterate," and candidates campaigning on such platforms who are not able to the labour union money Social Democrats typically enjoy will find all their donors drying up - and going to their opponents. But the REAL enemy is there, even if often ignored.

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6 hours ago, Patine said:

There are a fair number of overlooked U.S. policies, like certain resource management policies, government-owned corporation, the specific way the U.S. does military requisition, supply, contracting, and land acquisition, very intrusive laws on private citizens (obstensibly to combat organized crime and terrorism), and, even though this last one is State and Local, eminent domain - laws and policies almost always passed by Republicans or more conservative Democrats, that, in a "broad and expansive definition of Socialism," which is, I'm sure, what Anthony meant, are very reminiscent of, could be argued as outright being, Socialist policies very similar - other than labelling, justification, pretense, or specific enforcement - to old Soviet ones. Policies that Anthony always puts as right-wing election issues in his "official," U.S.-based scenarios, in fact. A VERY interesting thought to consider.

I'm actually wondering if @ThePotatoWalrus really does a meaningful response to the GOP Socialistic Neo Soviet-style policies they've been pushing for decades...

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

I'm actually wondering if @ThePotatoWalrus really does a meaningful response to the GOP Socialistic Neo Soviet-style policies they've been pushing for decades...

I'm an Independent Libertarian and do not endorse anything the GOP does. If anything they're worse than the Democrats nowadays corruption-wise (however I blame the Dems for congressional gridlock)

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Just now, ThePotatoWalrus said:

I'm an Independent Libertarian and do not endorse anything the GOP does. If anything they're worse than the Democrats nowadays corruption-wise (however I blame the Dems for congressional gridlock)

That's not the point I'm making at all. I'm calling you out on your claim that the U.S., by inherent nature of it as a nation, and of it's people, is immune to "Socialism creep," (as David Koch used the term), in contrast to other First World Nations. I'm not commenting on your partisan or ideological loyalties here.

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22 hours ago, Patine said:

calling Slovakia, Hungary, Poland, and Estonia socialist, or left-leaning, shows your just viewing a solid "European political bloc," and not taking individual countries into account separately

I meant Western European - countries with standards of living comparable to the U.S.

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12 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

I meant Western European - countries with standards of living comparable to the U.S.

Also, you, like many Americans (though you're not an American, you should know better :P ) are confusing the political terms Socialism, Social Democracy, and even Public Support State (the latter term of which I believe did kick around FDR's Administration here and there, and applies to the U.S. much more than you may admit, or that rhetoric, politicized carrying, or conversely griping, may make people believe). The U.S. has far more social programs and coverage than your giving it credit for - even though it's lagging in a few notable areas (like healthcare coverage, but even that seems on the popular tide of being addressed seriously in the next few years). Frankly, there are no SOCIALIST countries, by proper definition in the First World. If a nation with the GDP and Industrial Power of a First World Nation were politically and in terms of economic planning actually Socialist, it would not be First World, it would be Second World - the name given to the USSR and it's Warsaw Pact satellites, as well as Yugloslavia, which never belonged to the Warsaw Pact, during the Cold War, and perhaps, arguably, applied to the modern PRC.

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14 minutes ago, Patine said:

Also, you, like many Americans (though you're not an American, you should know better :P ) are confusing the political terms Socialism, Social Democracy, and even Public Support State

No I'm not and we've been through this before.

I have made the case before that the U.S. is a significantly socialist country - think you're confusing me with someone else. Relatively speaking, Canada and the (wealthy) European countries are more socialist than the U.S., though.

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1 minute ago, admin_270 said:

No I'm not and we've been through this before.

I have made the case before that the U.S. is a significantly socialist country - think you're confusing me with someone else. Relatively speaking, Canada and the (wealthy) European countries are more socialist than the U.S., though.

But is Alberta more Socialist than California, New York, Illinois, or Massachusetts? In the case that, at least, both the U.S. and Canada have Federal, not Unitary, government schemes in terms of governing relationships between their national and first-tier administrative subdivision governments, that's a big comparative factor, too. Being poor in Washington State (or Washington, DC, for that matter) is a lot more bearable in terms of realistic government support than being poor in Newfoundland & Labrador.

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