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The Chinese government knew about this virus long before its official appearance!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

Both the Chinese and the American governments have failed to defend our global security, and now millions of lives are the cost of their failure. Massive retaliation can be expected!

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18 hours ago, Wiw said:

The Chinese government knew about this virus long before its official appearance!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/intelligence-report-warned-coronavirus-crisis-early-november-sources/story?id=70031273

Both the Chinese and the American governments have failed to defend our global security, and now millions of lives are the cost of their failure. Massive retaliation can be expected!

Donald Trump would have to make a decision and actually stand behind it, for this nation to go to war.

As he is incapable of doing so, there will be no war.

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3 hours ago, Actinguy said:

Donald Trump would have to make a decision and actually stand behind it, for this nation to go to war.

As he is incapable of doing so, there will be no war.

Hypothetically speaking (not making any predictions or with any appetite or desire or it to happen at all - complete grim hypothesis), if the U.S. were attacked by an enemy power (like Pearl Harbour), would it really still require the U.S. President to declare war, or could the military just say war had been declared on the U.S. (and the whole NATO alliance, as it stands), and begin operating even if the President was unable or unwilling to stand behind such a thing (perhaps even using such a thing to activate the "incapacitation," clause)? This is serious question in good faith here.

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Just now, Patine said:

Hypothetically speaking (not making any predictions or with any appetite or desire or it to happen at all - complete grim hypothesis), if the U.S. were attacked by an enemy power (like Pearl Harbour), would it really still require the U.S. President to declare war, or could the military just say war had been declared on the U.S. (and the whole NATO alliance, as it stands), and begin operating even if the President was unable or unwilling to stand behind such a thing (perhaps even using such a thing to activate the "incapacitation," clause)? This is serious question in good faith here.

It's a fair question because we've never had to consider it before.  Logically, were the US attacked, of course the President would step forward and lead the US response.  But with this President, all "of course"s are out the window.

Realistically, Trump would probably love the opportunity to look strong and counter-attack someone.  He thrives on "us versus them", so getting a blank check to launch attacks on foreigners in a way that his political opponents couldn't really decry  would be a dream come true, both to him personally and his re-election campaign.  

But when you get into the logistics of actually doing so -- where does the counter punch deploy from?  With what equipment/staffing?  Where do they counter-punch?  Is this a targeted tit-for-tat or are we going for regime change/conquering/whatever?  What is the exit strategy?  Do we have support from our allies?  What about our attacker's potential allies, what's their take on this?

That's where Trump simply does not have the attention span to take any of these things under consideration.  Sure, the Joint Chief of Staff, the Secretary of Defense,  the Generals, the military branch Secretaries are all more than capable (in theory, I don't actually know them) of doing their jobs...but what happens the first time that something goes wrong?  The first time the news reports aren't 100% glowing?  The first time an American service member dies?  The "buck" doesn't stop at Trump's desk like it has with every previous President -- Trump will blame the people actually running the day to day operation of the war (as if he isn't their boss and as if they aren't trying every day to actually discuss these things with him).  That lack of leadership crushes morale, it crushes camaraderie and strategic teamwork, and it crushes the wartime mission.  

So to directly answer your question:  Technically it's Congress that declares war -- not the President or Generals.  But functionally, the actual military strategy and operations would be the purview of the President.  He would shirk that responsibility -- excited to grandstand but completely lacking the intelligence level, attention to detail, and leadership ability required to manage a war -- or even a basic strike.  He would give vague and often contradictory orders which his military staff would scramble to turn into reality, to the best of their ability.  They would largely be successful day to day -- but there would be no overall strategy or coordination, and mistakes are made by even the smartest people during times of war.  At each misstep, error, or tragedy, Trump would shirk the blame and instead attack his own generals.  In the end, the war would be lost or at least stagnant until we had better leadership (not Trump).

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8 hours ago, Actinguy said:

Donald Trump would have to make a decision and actually stand behind it, for this nation to go to war.

As he is incapable of doing so, there will be no war.

[Ed.: removed] it's all his fault we're in quarantine.

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And saying it's "all his fault we're in quarantine," is just a scapegoating tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, anyways. There's no evidence to it but a wistful desire to blame him as the sole cause of his crisis, like a lot of people now blame him as the sole cause of a lot of misery in the world. The fact is, as convenient and likely a scapegoat as he is, he is not even remotely the cause of a lot of what's pinned on him - his election was actually just a symptom of these problems in truth. And, for all the "only voting out Trump matters in 2020, nothing after election night is relevant right now," push toward the next U.S. Presidential election, these particular issues that led to his election are not going to go away, be resolved, or even subside significantly when he's out of the White House. But because so many are fixated on HIM as the problem, the real festering, moldering issues continue to eat away at society unabated.

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