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48 minutes ago, TheMiddlePolitical said:

I think it;s ridiculous that these two are even in discussion, The only two things that can be defined as Too far left is Communism, and Too Far right to be fascism. It's simple as that. When I was debating a member of the Young Republicans group at my University (I am part of the young Democrats) I asked him the simple question what is too far left that the Democrats believe in? He didn't have a straight answer, and said they are Socialist. I think it's ridiculous like @Patine said that we are still using this over simplified rhetoric. 

Bravo! But we have several people on these forums call a melba toast, moderate Social Democrat like Bernie Sanders "far-left," and when called it, rather than admit their statement is out-of-proportion or perspective and somewhat hyperbolic, they DEFEND it by saying "this is American politics here." But that argument is highly self-sabotaging. It's like a company selling notoriously shoddy goods and services, and when customers complain and say the competition has better, say, "but this is out brand name!" I don't think such people can see the glaring holes in their own rhetoric in that regard.

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On 11/26/2019 at 1:16 PM, pilight said:

Canada's extended insurance is roughly the equivalent of Medicare Supplement plans

And again, my point is that Canada did not abolish the private health insurance industry.  Private insurance companies still exist in some form.  Abolishing private insurance in the United States is a complete non-starter - first of all, it assumes our country will magically lurch to the left of Canada on the issue of health care, which I don't see happening any time soon.  It assumes the public will vote for it and the courts will rule in favor of it, neither of which appear likely, at least not for a while.  Our private health insurance industry may take a different shape or exist for a different purpose, like in Canada.  But these companies will still be here, as much as we may wish for things to be different.

Nobody has even tried to poke holes in this argument so far, because it can't be done.  The United States is simply not going to eradicate the private health insurance industry with the stroke of a pen.  Warren tried to tie herself to the mast of the SS Medicare-For-All, and she's realizing it may doom her candidacy.  Now even she is searching for the life boats.

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On 11/26/2019 at 8:47 PM, TheMiddlePolitical said:

I think it;s ridiculous that these two are even in discussion, The only two things that can be defined as Too far left is Communism, and Too Far right to be fascism. It's simple as that. When I was debating a member of the Young Republicans group at my University (I am part of the young Democrats) I asked him the simple question what is too far left that the Democrats believe in? He didn't have a straight answer, and said they are Socialist. I think it's ridiculous like @Patine said that we are still using this over simplified rhetoric. 

I'm more of the mindset that the too far left/too far right discussion is only limited to whatever the public will tolerate.  Kind of like what Gerald Ford once said about impeachment - it's whatever Congress decides is impeachable.

The pendulum has swung pretty far in both directions in our country's history, but it's only recently that the right-wing propaganda machine has been kicked into high gear.  From AM radio to FOX News (and other Murdoch or Sinclair-owned media) to "working the refs" to advantages on social media, the right has successfully found a way to blast their nonsense at people 24/7, and those on the left here have not found an effective counter-response.  So it's not surprising to me that the public would increasingly accept us moving further and further right, while wanting to hit the brakes on any movement leftward.

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