Founding Fathers Part Two: Electric Booger Shoe

[mlcorcoran 71]

Jefferson is looking over applicants for the Secretary of the Navy position.

In the meantime, he invites Special Envoy James Monroe @Leuser to Monticello for a strategy session on Negotiations with the British (Outcome B).

[Leuser 16]

Negotiations are currently progressing but I think we need to feint a show of force. Have we assigned a secretary of the Navy yet that could assist with a little intimidation during the negotiations? @mlcorcoran

[Leuser 16]

Negotiations have concluded with the enemy. It was a long road. Will Congress approve of the job that Monroe accomplished?

I use my last IP on this. I believe @mlcorcoranWill also be contributing am IP to hit the needed difficulty. @Actinguy

[mlcorcoran 71]

Just now, Leuser said:

Negotiations have concluded with the enemy. It was a long road. Will Congress approve of the job that Monroe accomplished?

I use my last IP on this. I believe @mlcorcoranWill also be contributing am IP to hit the needed difficulty. @Actinguy

That is correct, Thomas Jefferson will use the last of his IP alongside Monroe's Faction IP to meet the difficulty of Resolution B. 

It now goes to Congress for a vote.

[mlcorcoran 71]

@Actinguy We currently have 27 votes in favor of Resolution B: Negotiations with the British, 0 votes against and 0 abstentions

Votes pending from @Woot @swejie @Agent B and @Shamilton in any order

[Shamilton 0]

Aye

[Actinguy 862]

Great!  Also, don't forget to appoint a Secretary of the Navy @mlcorcoran

[mlcorcoran 71]

Yes, our first Secretary of the Navy position is offered to @Shamilton George Clinton

[mlcorcoran 71]

@Actinguy does Secretary of the Navy carry over after Presidential terms end, like the General? My recollection is that it does but just want to confirm.

[Actinguy 862]

1 minute ago, mlcorcoran said:

@Actinguy does Secretary of the Navy carry over after Presidential terms end, like the General? My recollection is that it does but just want to confirm.

Nope.  It's like the other Secretary positions -- reappointed at the start of every Presidential term.

(You may be thinking of Admiral, which was only a sequel game addition)

[mlcorcoran 71]

Vote stands at 31 in favor, 0 opposed, 0 abstentions to negotiate an end to the British shipping blockade. Votes pending from @Woot @swejie @Agent B in any order

Also pending confirmation from @Shamilton that George Clinton will accept the position of Secretary of the Navy

[Woot 0]

@Actinguy Aye for resolution B. 

SEC of War (partisan office) plays:

Sabotage a Negotiation.  A player with a statesman holding a Partisan Office may play this just after an Envoy Issue has been resolved to cancel the Popularity Gains and Public Support changes caused by its resolution.  Remove from play after use. 

[Actinguy 862]

12 minutes ago, Woot said:

@Actinguy Aye for resolution B. 

SEC of War (partisan office) plays:

Sabotage a Negotiation.  A player with a statesman holding a Partisan Office may play this just after an Envoy Issue has been resolved to cancel the Popularity Gains and Public Support changes caused by its resolution.  Remove from play after use. 

Interesting!

@upandaway (creator of the game) if you're out there, feel free to weigh in on whether this card cancels popularity LOSSES as well.  (To quickly catch you up, they've taken the "Negotiate" option on British Attacks On Shipping, which provides a -2 popularity.)

If we don't hear back from UpAndAway to say otherwise, I'll lean towards the answer being "no."

[upandaway 1]

No, play it as written: only cancels gains. Still cancels the Public Support changes.

[Actinguy 862]

Just now, upandaway said:

No, play it as written: only cancels gains. Still cancels the Public Support changes.

Copy that.  @Woot would you still like to play it?

[Woot 0]

If the game permits me to take the card back I will do that, I still vote Aye on the issue.

[Actinguy 862]

4 minutes ago, Woot said:

If the game permits me to take the card back I will do that, I still vote Aye on the issue.

Sure thing.  Card is back in your hand, having not impacted the game.

[Shamilton 0]

Clinton humbly accepts 

[Actinguy 862]

Ok.  We are at 41 aye, 0 nay.

@swejie and @Agent B have 21 votes between them.  But if they were willing to spend all of their IP, they could buy another 30 or so votes -- so we'll need to wait for their responses.

[Agent B 0]

20 minutes ago, Actinguy said:

Ok.  We are at 41 aye, 0 nay.

@swejie and @Agent B have 21 votes between them.  But if they were willing to spend all of their IP, they could buy another 30 or so votes -- so we'll need to wait for their responses.

Aye to negotiation! 

[mlcorcoran 71]

2 minutes ago, Agent B said:

Aye to negotiation! 

Negotiation passes Congress. War is averted, though Jefferson and Monroe each suffer a loss of 2 popularity for not indulging the nation's bloodlust.

And yet, public support swings 2 spaces in Liberals' favor for putting diplomacy ahead of violence.

@Actinguy we're ready for Issue Card #3

[mlcorcoran 71]

Also Alexander Hamilton @Agent B earns 4 IP as a result of the negotiations with England

[Actinguy 862]

@mlcorcoran

ISSUE 3

1799

It was an extraordinarily difficult process as you relied on James Monroe to find peace with the British even as you questioned whether he was actually attempting to undermine you.  At one point, you even worried about whether Secretary Pinckney was going to take matters into his own hands and "accidentally" ruin the negotiation process by opening fire.  But in the end, you managed to corral your men and keep them committed to the cause: peace.

The deal Monroe finally reached with the Brits was unpopular, to the say the least.  The Brits have indeed agreed to stop seizing our ships and cargo -- but in exchange, we've agreed to deport any known defectors from lists the British send us every fortnight.  

Of course, if you thought this deal was unpopular in America, you should hear about how it's playing out in France.  

"When America broke it's pledge of support during the Washington and Franklin administrations and chose neutrality, we were disappointed -- but we accepted your decision.  But this?  This is not neutrality, Mr. President.  You are actively supplying troops to the enemy!  The free people of the Nation of France demand that America take a stance against our oppressors and support our mission to spread freedom across all of Europe!"

[mlcorcoran 71]

Monseuir de Lafayette knows my heart is with the revolutionaries in France. But my responsibility is to the American people first and foremost. Financial aid to Europe would almost guarantee our economic collapse.

President Jefferson ignores this issue.

Public support swings back to +1 Conservative; Jefferson takes 3 IP

@Actinguy we're ready for Issue #4

[Actinguy 862]

4 minutes ago, mlcorcoran said:

Monseuir de Lafayette knows my heart is with the revolutionaries in France. But my responsibility is to the American people first and foremost. Financial aid to Europe would almost guarantee our economic collapse.

President Jefferson ignores this issue.

Public support swings back to +1 Conservative; Jefferson takes 3 IP

@Actinguy we're ready for Issue #4

ISSUE FOUR 

1800

"Mr. President, perhaps our previous messages were not clear.  We are not requesting America's support.  We are demanding it.  You WILL provide the support America promised to provide -- or you will pay the consequences as we embargo American trade and seize your ships for providing aid and comfort to the enemy.

We must have your support, and we must have it now.  Sign here."