Bernie Sanders hospitalized, cancelling events

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

Just now, Reagan04 said:

Yeah that was his major competition, Congressman named Jim Renacci. He was basically a rubber stamp Republican, candidates of that caliber lost huge across the Midwest. He was a lot like Lou Barletta who was the GOP nominee in PA who lost by a huge margin to the incumbent. The fact that Renacci didn't suffer the same fate speaks to Ohio's reddening hue.

Again I think Richard Cordray did a lot of damage for the Democrats, Democrats have a habit of nominating horrendous candidates for Governor. My district of Summit County which includes Akron even went red in 2014 when Kasich was up for re-election. I would agree that Ohio tilts red but it's still a swing state much like North Carolina or Arizona. 

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Just now, Dr. Insano said:

Again I think Richard Cordray did a lot of damage for the Democrats, Democrats have a habit of nominating horrendous candidates for Governor. My district of Summit County which includes Akron even went red in 2014 when Kasich was up for re-election. I would agree that Ohio tilts red but it's still a swing state much like North Carolina or Arizona. 

Summit County is an interesting place I agree, but many counties go red when the GOP is moderate and the Dem sucks. Like Kasich or Voinovich. 

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Iowa remains more a swing state than Ohio, in my opinion.

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

Summit County is an interesting place I agree, but many counties go red when the GOP is moderate and the Dem sucks. Like Kasich or Voinovich. 

Very true. The candidate in 2014 was caught driving without a license and was just generally awful as a candidate. The fact that 2014 was a big Republican wave and that Kasich was pretty popular at the time, admittedly had I've been able to vote at the time I would have voted for Kasich, and it's fairly obvious that I'm fairly left wing.

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

1 minute ago, Hestia11 said:

Iowa remains more a swing state than Ohio, in my opinion.

Iowa and Ohio both are swing states that went heavily for Trump. Although I do agree that Iowa is probably more of a swing state, definitely more friendly to your generic democrat. I don't think a establishment/neoliberal will ever win Ohio again, unless the Republican candidate is even more horrendous and not a populist like Trump. 

[vcczar 1,224]

17 minutes ago, Patine said:

Please, Social Democrat. He's not Eugene Debs. He's far closer to the New Democratic Party in Canada, the various such parties in Scandinavia (whose names vary by Scandinavian country, and a few of them have schism parties of significance), the pre-"New Labour," Labour Party of the United Kingdom, and the older Social Democratic Parties of Germany and Austria, which all adhere (or adhered) to the Social Democratic ideal. There are NO significant, or visible on the radar, Socialists or Communists running, or in elected positions outside a few big council seats anywhere in the United States, today - despite uninformed right-wing pundit mudslinging.

I was using the word “socialist” speaking from what I think a 2016 reluctant Trump supporter would view him as. I know he isn’t Debs, but to 70% of Americans probably see no difference between Debs, Bill Heywood, Bernie Sanders, Castro, Gorbachev, Ho Chih Minh, Pol Pot Mao, Hugo Chavez, Patine, WVProgressive, or Jeremy Corbyn. 

It should be viewed in the same way Christianity has many varieties and some are more tolerant, flexible, fundamental, radical, benevolent, honest, textbook, charismatic, cultlike, eccentric, modernized, paleo, etc than others. 

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

6 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I was using the word “socialist” speaking from what I think a 2016 reluctant Trump supporter would view him as. I know he isn’t Debs, but to 70% of Americans probably see no difference between Debs, Bill Heywood, Bernie Sanders, Castro, Gorbachev, Ho Chih Minh, Pol Pot Mao, Hugo Chavez, Patine, WVProgressive, or Jeremy Corbyn. 

It should be viewed in the same way Christianity has many varieties and some are more tolerant, flexible, fundamental, radical, benevolent, honest, textbook, charismatic, cultlike, eccentric, modernized, paleo, etc than others. 

I'm surprised I wasn't thrown in there, probably the only issue that I'm not far left on is guns. 

[Patine 469]

8 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I was using the word “socialist” speaking from what I think a 2016 reluctant Trump supporter would view him as. I know he isn’t Debs, but to 70% of Americans probably see no difference between Debs, Bill Heywood, Bernie Sanders, Castro, Gorbachev, Ho Chih Minh, Pol Pot Mao, Hugo Chavez, Patine, WVProgressive, or Jeremy Corbyn. 

It should be viewed in the same way Christianity has many varieties and some are more tolerant, flexible, fundamental, radical, benevolent, honest, textbook, charismatic, cultlike, eccentric, modernized, paleo, etc than others. 

Ah, yes. Christianity. Of the three most thoroughly abused and malrepresented in terms of it's beliefs and doctrines for such purposes religions for political gain, in world history - alongside Islam and Buddhism (Judaism would be a close fourth, but the greater majority of times, all in all, used in such a way among non-Jews - Jews themselves only misrepresent their religion for political ends in Israeli politics, Interwar European Jewish political parties in various Eastern, Central, and Southern European countries of the Era (and Pre-WW1 in Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Chamber of Deputies through the Millet System, and the Russian Pale, and certain lobbing groups and individual lawmakers in modern Western countries - but non-Jews uses Judaism for political, ulterior ends in various ways is FAR more common).

[vcczar 1,224]

7 minutes ago, Dr. Insano said:

I'm surprised I wasn't thrown in there, probably the only issue that I'm not far left on is guns. 

I would have included you and others if I wasn't typing it off the top of my head. 

7 minutes ago, Patine said:

Ah, yes. Christianity. Of the three most thoroughly abused and malrepresented in terms of it's beliefs and doctrines for such purposes religions for political gain, in world history - alongside Islam and Buddhism (Judaism would be a close fourth, but the greater majority of times, all in all, used in such a way among non-Jews - Jews themselves only misrepresent their religion for political ends in Israeli politics, Interwar European Jewish political parties in various Eastern, Central, and Southern European countries of the Era (and Pre-WW1 in Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Chamber of Deputies through the Millet System, and the Russian Pale, and certain lobbing groups and individual lawmakers in modern Western countries - but non-Jews uses Judaism for political, ulterior ends in various ways is FAR more common).

Yeah. 

[jnewt 37]

6 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

We knew this, virtually anyone of this age who undergoes this procedure had a heart attack.

Well, he's 3rd in every poll really. And I expect him to lose more ground now.

Neither of these statements are true. Plenty of people undergo this procedure without having a heart attack (Bill Clinton did, as @admin_270 mentioned previously). He's also leading or in second in some polls. A quick google easily proves both these statements are false.

[Reagan04 658]

4 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Neither of these statements are true. Plenty of people undergo this procedure without having a heart attack (Bill Clinton did, as @admin_270 mentioned previously). He's also leading or in second in some polls. A quick google easily proves both these statements are false.

To the contrary, a quick google easily proves both true.

[jnewt 37]

1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

To the contrary, a quick google easily proves both true.

No it doesn't actually. Look it up for yourself next time.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartDiseaseNews/president-bill-clinton-hospitalized-routine-stent-surgery-heart-chest-pain/story?id=9811364

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/ohio-2020-statistical-dead-heat-with-biden-sanders-and-warren-in-democratic-primary

[Reagan04 658]

6 minutes ago, jnewt said:

No it doesn't actually. Look it up for yourself next time.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/HeartDiseaseNews/president-bill-clinton-hospitalized-routine-stent-surgery-heart-chest-pain/story?id=9811364

https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/ohio-2020-statistical-dead-heat-with-biden-sanders-and-warren-in-democratic-primary

Yes, the surgery became routine for Clinton in 2010 after he had a *heart attack* in 2004.

And ok? That's just Ohio, I'm sure you could find a poll of Vermont where he's far and away ahead. I'm talking the overall state of the race, where Sanders is dropping down into 15% nationally.

I'd encourage you to do a better job looking it up for yourself next time.

[jnewt 37]

51 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

And ok? That's just Ohio, I'm sure you could find a poll of Vermont where he's far and away ahead. I'm talking the overall state of the race, where Sanders is dropping down into 15% nationally.

I'd encourage you to do a better job looking it up for yourself next time.

Come on now. You made an absolute statement about Sanders not "really" being in first or second anywhere and you were wrong. Admit it.

I suggest you do a better job making an absolute statement like that without looking it up next time.

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3 hours ago, jnewt said:

Come on now. You made an absolute statement about Sanders not "really" being in first or second anywhere and you were wrong. Admit it.

I suggest you do a better job making an absolute statement like that without looking it up next time.

I wasn't part of this conversation and just reading through it now it was pretty clear he was referring to national polls - a large majority of which have Sanders in third place, which is where all the poll aggregators I'm aware of have him as well.

[jnewt 37]

15 hours ago, SirLagsalott said:

I wasn't part of this conversation and just reading through it now it was pretty clear he was referring to national polls - a large majority of which have Sanders in third place, which is where all the poll aggregators I'm aware of have him as well.

Why would it be clear he was just referring to national polls? There's no national primary and the DNC uses early state polls as polling criteria too.

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50 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Why would it be clear he was just referring to national polls? There's no national primary and the DNC uses early state polls as polling criteria too.

Which does not include Ohio.  Sanders will be long out of the race by the time of the Ohio primary.

[Reagan04 658]

1 hour ago, jnewt said:

Why would it be clear he was just referring to national polls? There's no national primary and the DNC uses early state polls as polling criteria too.

Of which Ohio is not one. Right now this race is national and early states youd be lying to yourself to ignore that. You said Sanders was in 1st or 2nd and you were wrong. So instead of trying to cherry pick obscurities which support your candidate you ought to admit your mistaken Position on both issues and move on. Or perhaps do a modicum of research on either topic.

[jnewt 37]

1 hour ago, Reagan04 said:

Of which Ohio is not one. Right now this race is national and early states youd be lying to yourself to ignore that. You said Sanders was in 1st or 2nd and you were wrong. So instead of trying to cherry pick obscurities which support your candidate you ought to admit your mistaken Position on both issues and move on. Or perhaps do a modicum of research on either topic.

Now you're just being an asshole. Claiming I didn't do "a modicum of research"? You didn't do "a modicum of research". Nevada is an early state and Sanders was tied for first with Biden in CNN's last poll, and in first in CBS's poll last month. North Carolina is an early state (Super Tuesday), Sanders is second there. Admit you were wrong about Sanders not being first or second "really". Grow up. 

I was wrong about Clinton not having a heart attack and I admit that (though I still think your statement that virtually all people who get that procedure have had heart attacks is false, I haven't disproven it.) Sanders is clearly not in 3rd in all polls, though. 

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5 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Admit you were wrong about Sanders not being first or second "really". Grow up.

Admit there's a difference between national polls and state polls

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3 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Admit there's a difference between national polls and state polls

What does that have to do with anything? He never said strictly national polls and why would I assume he's strictly talking about national polls when there is no national primary and early state polling is included in the DNC's criteria.

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

7 minutes ago, jnewt said:

What does that have to do with anything? He never said strictly national polls and why would I assume he's strictly talking about national polls when there is no national primary and early state polling is included in the DNC's criteria.

Ok

[jnewt 37]

1 hour ago, jnewt said:

I was wrong about Clinton not having a heart attack and I admit that (though I still think your statement that virtually all people who get that procedure have had heart attacks is false, I haven't disproven it.)  

And after doing a "modicum of research", you'll also find out that Bill Clinton never actually had a heart attack. He had a procedure done and "narrowly avoided a heart attack", but never actually had an infarction. So I take back being wrong about him.

[Reagan04 658]

@jnewt I was being needlessly mean, I'm not normally like that. I will apologize for the tone I took with you, that was out of character for me and unbecoming of my usual personage.

[Patine 469]

27 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

@jnewt I was being needlessly mean, I'm not normally like that. I will apologize for the tone I took with you, that was out of character for me and unbecoming of my usual personage.

At least of late. You used to be quite the firebrand who barely stopped to wash the brimstone out of your mouth.