Bernie Sanders hospitalized, cancelling events

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

10 minutes ago, Patine said:

This is the list of all ideological Communists who have run on the ballot for President of the United States.

William Z. Foster

Earl Browder

Vincent Hallinan

Gus Hall

16 Socialist Labor Party Candidates between 1888-1976

Gloria de la Riva

and technically Henry Wallace (not because he was an actual Communist, but because his short-lived party had a lot of Communists in it)

Bernie Sanders is not on this list. Why? Because he's not a Communist. He's a Social Democrat, which is quite different, especially for those who are actually EDUCATED on the matter of politics.

There's very little difference between Communism and Socialism

[Patine 466]

10 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

There's very little difference between Communism and Socialism

There's also very difference between Conservatism and Fascism, or Capitalism and Feudalism, or Libertarianism or Syndico-Anarchy, by that same logic (a logic that was either facetious, or once again displays your REAL lack of education on political, which you refuse to acknowledge, and thus refuse to learn better, and thus always sound like fool and talk out your ass when you speak on such issue). And, finally, Social Democracy is not actually pure Socialism either. Get a damned education on what you're talking about. Otherwise you just sound like an idiot expecting to taken seriously.

[jnewt 37]

9 hours ago, Herbert Hoover said:

I hate to say it, but this is a good turn of events for progressives. Bernie knows he's not able to win. This is a good opportunity for him to drop out and endorse Warren, who can CRUSH Biden without having so much competition within the same lane.

Not sure how this could ever be interpreted as good for progressives. Warren doesn't campaign nearly as progressively as Sanders, and she's not nearly as progressive as she campaigns. Without Sanders in the race, most progressives have no one to vote for. I certainly can't vote for Warren with a clear conscience. I'm likely going to have to vote for Yang, who was some very questionable positions, if Sanders has to drop out.

[Patine 466]

4 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Not sure how this could ever be interpreted as good for progressives. Warren doesn't campaign nearly as progressively as Sanders, and she's not nearly as progressive as she campaigns. Without Sanders in the race, most progressives have no one to vote for. I certainly can't vote for Warren with a clear conscience. I'm likely going to have to vote for Yang, who was some very questionable positions, if Sanders has to drop out.

Well, Progressives and Liberals (and certainly Social Democrats) had no one to vote for in 2016 (except, MAYBE Stein, areas), and Conservatives didn't either (except Castle and McMullin), but adherents to any of those ideologies had no one to vote for in 2016 who had a real chance of winning.

[Rodja 51]

Bernie will not drop out!All the signs are pointing to him recovering very well and returning to campaign trail soon!

[vcczar 1,224]

12 hours ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

There's very little difference between Communism and Socialism

Boi, you might be mentally retarded. I don't even think you know what the word "difference" means or "very" or "and" or "between" for that matter. 

[Jayavarman 128]

Why are Democrats gambling America's future on three 70-something-year-olds? (Bernie, Biden, Warren)

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2 hours ago, Jayavarman said:

Why are Democrats gambling America's future on three 70-something-year-olds? (Bernie, Biden, Warren)

Baby Boomers are not ready to admit their day is over

[Patine 466]

3 hours ago, Jayavarman said:

Why are Democrats gambling America's future on three 70-something-year-olds? (Bernie, Biden, Warren)

It's not like the Republican candidate (as it stands) ISN'T 70-something years old, and thus has an edge in that area.

[admin_270 831]

Ya, they're all older, but my impression is there's a significant difference between early 70s (Warren will be 71 in January 2021) and late 70s (Biden will be 78 at that point, Sanders will be 79) in terms of physical health on average. Biden would be 82 at the end of his first term, Sanders 83. Trump will be 74 in January 2021, 78 at the end of his second term.

When looking at the candidates, I feel like Biden and Sanders make Trump look young. I don't get that impression with Warren. 2 terms with Warren seems a possibility, but with Biden or Sanders?

[admin_270 831]

When talking about leaders in positions like President, my guess is that the sweet spot for age is somewhere between 50 and 70. In the past, this was probably a bit younger due to lower life expectancy (in the 1800s, Sanders would not have been able to just have emergency heart surgery like he did) and less formal schooling ('real life' tends to be delayed nowadays more often). Of course there can be exceptions, but you're most likely to get a certain accumulation of experience without negative health issues that is near-optimal in that age range, IMHO.

So Warren is pushing this a bit, but not much.

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

Ok boomers

[Patine 466]

Just now, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Ok boomers

You have proven time and again that you are a poster boy of the demographic in the U.S. that is one of the big reasons American civilization and culture are in deep decline - and don't kid yourself, they are indeed in deep decline.

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

Well he's already planning on being back on the campaign trail in a few days. Those ads are going to be aired, once again this is just people making a big deal out of something so miniscule. I wouldn't be surprised if this gives Sanders momentum honestly.

[lizphairphreak 14]

On 10/2/2019 at 8:44 PM, jnewt said:

Not sure how this could ever be interpreted as good for progressives. Warren doesn't campaign nearly as progressively as Sanders, and she's not nearly as progressive as she campaigns. Without Sanders in the race, most progressives have no one to vote for. I certainly can't vote for Warren with a clear conscience. I'm likely going to have to vote for Yang, who was some very questionable positions, if Sanders has to drop out.

in literally what universe is yang more progressive than warren?

[admin_270 831]

43 minutes ago, Dr. Insano said:

this is just people making a big deal out of something so miniscule

I think you're right that Sanders could use this to help his campaign, such as highlighting the importance of universal health care, say.

However, I don't think emergency open heart surgery is something miniscule.

I doubt Sanders will be back to a full schedule for a few weeks, assuming everything goes well. Even just 2 weeks is 1/8th of the remaining campaigning time before Iowa.

There's no need to say it's the end of the world for Sanders, but there's also no need to underplay that this is a significant development in the campaign.

[jnewt 37]

7 minutes ago, lizphairphreak said:

in literally what universe is yang more progressive than warren?

In literally what universe did I ever say that? Yang is just more honest and I actually know what I’m going to get with him. Plus, anybody with a functioning brain stem can tell you he is in fact more progressive when it comes to foreign policy, which I value highly. 

[jnewt 37]

7 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

I think you're right that Sanders could use this to help his campaign, such as highlighting the importance of universal health care, say.

However, I don't think emergency open heart surgery is something miniscule.

I doubt Sanders will be back to a full schedule for a few weeks, assuming everything goes well. Even just 2 weeks is 1/8th of the remaining campaigning time before Iowa.

There's no need to say it's the end of the world for Sanders, but there's also no need to underplay that this is a significant development in the campaign.

Doctors say the average recovery time for this operation is 4-7 days. I don’t think it’s nearly as serious as people are making it out to be, either. If it does take him weeks to recover, then I’ll be more worried. 

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A stent isn't an open heart procedure.  The stent doesn't go inside the heart, it goes in an artery leading away from the heart.

[admin_270 831]

7 minutes ago, pilight said:

A stent isn't an open heart procedure.  The stent doesn't go inside the heart, it goes in an artery leading away from the heart.

Open heart surgery is any surgery where the chest is cut open and surgery is performed on the muscles, valves, and arteries of the heart. It doesn't require literally opening up the heart.

https://www.healthline.com/health/open-heart-surgery

[admin_270 831]

13 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Doctors say the average recovery time for this operation is 4-7 days.

My understanding is that's the typical time to get out of the hospital. Full recovery takes much longer.

[admin_270 831]

 

21 minutes ago, pilight said:

A stent isn't an open heart procedure.

Looking more carefully at reports of the operation Sanders had, you're right. Stents can be put in place by putting a small incision in the chest, instead of opening the chest completely.

If so, I would not be surprised if Sanders is up to a full schedule within a week.

[admin_270 831]

28 minutes ago, jnewt said:

Doctors say the average recovery time for this operation is 4-7 days.

Ok, after looking more carefully at this, this sounds right. It seems he had a minimally invasive placement of 2 stents.

If that's right, then he might actually have better physical functioning within a few days than he did before the surgery.

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

25 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

If that's right, then he might actually have better physical functioning within a few days than he did before the surgery.

This is true. My grandfather and uncle both had similar surgeries and felt 10 years younger coming out of it, according to them.

[pilight 237]

1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

 

Looking more carefully at reports of the operation Sanders had, you're right. Stents can be put in place by putting a small incision in the chest, instead of opening the chest completely.

If so, I would not be surprised if Sanders is up to a full schedule within a week.

That's the normal procedure for inserting stents.  That's how my father's were done.

If Sanders had open heart surgery, his campaign would be over.