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19 minutes ago, Patine said:

Basically you want a "Conservative" instead of Warren, Sanders, etc., you are automatically "bad" for espousing very soft and moderate (globally speaking) Social Democratic politics. I could just see it in your post. And the policies you always Conservatives over specifically Social Democrats to espouse I believe is a case that you don't REALLY understand what it is you reflexively oppose...

You have no basis for saying this. I actually cited some specific policies and yes, Bernie went beyond being a Social Democrat. So please stop blanket attacking me and reflexively assuming that I am a blind conservative follower, which I obviously am not given my support for certain Democrats over Trump. As Taylor Swift once said "Can't you just not, like you need to just stop. You need to calm down"

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9 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

You have no basis for saying this. I actually cited some specific policies and yes, Bernie went beyond being a Social Democrat. So please stop blanket attacking me and reflexively assuming that I am a blind conservative follower, which I obviously am not given my support for certain Democrats over Trump. As Taylor Swift once said "Can't you just not, like you need to just stop. You need to calm down"

Alright, then I will ASK -instead of ASSUME - what did Sanders do or say that went beyond Social Democratic ideology in your opinion?

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36 minutes ago, Patine said:

Basically you want a "Conservative" instead of Warren, Sanders, etc., you are automatically "bad" for espousing very soft and moderate (globally speaking) Social Democratic politics. I could just see it in your post. And the policies you always Conservatives over specifically Social Democrats to espouse I believe is a case that you don't REALLY understand what it is you reflexively oppose...

He doesn't reflexively oppose anything and everything Democratic, he literally just said he would switch party-lines if the Democrats spit out a viable candidate, which tbh as conservative as he is says a lot about his character and what he values. (in a positive way)

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40 minutes ago, Patine said:

Alright, then I will ASK -instead of ASSUME - what did Sanders do or say that went beyond Social Democratic ideology in your opinion?

I already said: Nationalizing sectors of the economy and killing jobs on purpose only to replace them not by stimulating or partnering with the private sector and free market but annexing portions of the job market with a government guaranteed jobs program taking over the parts of the economy he's nationalized or destroyed.

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16 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

I already said: Nationalizing sectors of the economy and killing jobs on purpose only to replace them not by stimulating or partnering with the private sector and free market but annexing portions of the job market with a government guaranteed jobs program taking over the parts of the economy he's nationalized or destroyed.

Well, a significant portion (not all, certainly, but a notable amount) of the American private sector, especially among the biggest and most powerful of corporations, are so corrupt, so interested in driving up huge profit margins at the expense of paying their employees what their work is worth or producing products and services worth their advertising claims or prices, or producing meaningful customer service and accountability, and arranging, through backroom deals with government and other corporations in the same field "territorial monopolies or duopolies," and bribing lawmakers and executive government officials, or candidates for such office, through "lobbying" and "corporate campaign donations" that a big chunk of the corporate culture has become outrank toxic, and any partnership usually get used in a predatory way by many said captains of industry anyways. I'm sorry, but I lack faith in the integrity of most big American corporations, and in their trustworthiness and reliability.

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37 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

What is it with debates and people smiling when they're getting obliterated. Trump never did that (because he's an alpha male and doesn't take it) and he won.

Actually that's exactly what he did when he was getting obliterated, which happened quite often.

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8 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Actually that's exactly what he did when he was getting obliterated, which happened quite often.

Not entirely relevant but what's Carly Fiorina up to these days? She go back to business or become a political activist or something?

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11 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Not entirely relevant but what's Carly Fiorina up to these days? She go back to business or become a political activist or something?

She's working on the lecture circuit and writing books. She has a nonprofit dedicated to get young people and I think an emphasis on young women in leadership roles in business and to help people seize control of their lives and immediate surroundings.

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55 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

What is it with debates and people smiling when they're getting obliterated. Trump never did that (because he's an alpha male and doesn't take it) and he won.

Trump doesn't really smile. There's a facial decoder specialist (Dan Hill might be his name). He looks at people's facial expressions and analyzes them. He broke down several candidates and attributed the emotional trait that was most associated with their expressions. Trump had something close to 0% positive expression (only one business person analyzed had a lower number). Trump's dominant expressions were 1) irritation or annoyance (I forgot which it was for sure). 2) Sadness.  The later expression surprised me. 

In regards to Alpha Male, I don't think he really is one. He's too insecure and lacks courage. He's more like (and I hate to stereotype) a stock character of a teenage girl. He can't take any constructive criticism. I'd consider someone like Robert E. Lee as an alpha male. After Gettysburg, he went up to his troops and said,  "It's all my fault. I thought we were invincible." 

Trump's at best a Beta Male. I think Beta fish eat their own kind, so that might be apt. 

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1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Trump doesn't really smile. There's a facial decoder specialist (Dan Hill might be his name). He looks at people's facial expressions and analyzes them. He broke down several candidates and attributed the emotional trait that was most associated with their expressions. Trump had something close to 0% positive expression (only one business person analyzed had a lower number). Trump's dominant expressions were 1) irritation or annoyance (I forgot which it was for sure). 2) Sadness.  The later expression surprised me. 

In regards to Alpha Male, I don't think he really is one. He's too insecure and lacks courage. He's more like (and I hate to stereotype) a stock character of a teenage girl. He can't take any constructive criticism. I'd consider someone like Robert E. Lee as an alpha male. After Gettysburg, he went up to his troops and said,  "It's all my fault. I thought we were invincible." 

Trump's at best a Beta Male. I think Beta fish eat their own kind, so that might be apt. 

Trump's definitely an alpha-male. Dumped all that fish food into the water at once in Japan, has a trilogy of trophy wives, speaks his mind without caring what others think, stepped over North Korea's border into one of the most hostile-to-American countries ever, took down all of the leading GOP people in the primaries one-on-one, manspreads without caring, has a height of 6'3 (fine, 6'2, but in his prime he was def 6'3) and to top it all off he gave a putting tip to Jim Herman, who ended up winning the 2016 PGA Tour. Anyone who says Trump is a beta is a man insecure about his own status.

Honestly I don't know of any Presidents that were beta males, the US has tons of alpha presidents, Teddy Roosevelt, Gerald Ford, Slick Willie, Lincoln, Jefferson, even Obama (charismatic, good-looking, etc.). Jimmy Carter is the only beta President that comes to mind (short, failed presidency, let everyone walk all over him). JC was a good dude though don't get me wrong.

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Look at this picture and tell me that Trump isn't an alpha, to my knowledge Trudeau was a boxer, so that's the sole reason that I can't call him a beta but compare their poses. Trump definitely has the more confident, manlier pose, and Trudeau has a feminine, submissive pose (leaning towards the most important person in the roomtrumpmanspread.thumb.jpg.6bdd8f607898ee2f6885b3c8e646bc87.jpg)

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2 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Look at this picture and tell me that Trump isn't an alpha, to my knowledge Trudeau was a boxer, so that's the sole reason that I can't call him a beta but compare their poses. Trump definitely has the more confident, manlier pose, and Trudeau has a feminine, submissive pose (leaning towards the most important person in the roomtrumpmanspread.thumb.jpg.6bdd8f607898ee2f6885b3c8e646bc87.jpg)

JT looks more relaxed to me tbh. 

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23 minutes ago, TheLiberalKitten said:

JT looks more relaxed to me tbh. 

Is he still using "wolf pack role" terminology for humans. Only pretentious idiots believe that crap has any validity. But, then again, this IS @ThePotatoWalrus, so...

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