Anthony_270 1,112 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 I laughed, but when I looked up 'Hitlerism' it seems like a perfectly good English word, going back to 1925. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hitlerism "the principles and policies associated with Hitler" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,265 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, admin_270 said: I laughed, but when I looked up 'Hitlerism' it seems like a perfectly good English word, going back to 1925. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hitlerism "the principles and policies associated with Hitler" That wasn't the bad part. He was stumbling over everything he was saying, and his body language was contrived to make it seem like he knew what he was talking about. This video isn't an exception, he was pretty much like this all the time. Some of his other gaffes involved his behavior while other people were speaking. I remember one time he was eating ferociously while GHW Bush was talking and everyone else was listening to Bush intently. I'm really not sure why Bush chose him. He possibly didn't want anyone that would have any influence on his administration. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,112 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Ya, I know - Quayle made lots of gaffes, almost Yogi Berra-isms. I haven't studied the 1988 campaign much, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of a Palin pick - he wanted someone youthful and telegenic, perhaps? Of course, he won the election, so perhaps not such a terrible choice on that front in the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,265 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, admin_270 said: Ya, I know - Quayle made lots of gaffes, almost Yogi Berra-isms. I haven't studied the 1988 campaign much, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was a bit of a Palin pick - he wanted someone youthful and telegenic, perhaps? Of course, he won the election, so perhaps not such a terrible choice on that front in the end. I don't think there was ever a threat that Bush would lose to Dukakis. It wasn't a desperation choice like it was for McCain. Bush also wasn't really that old (63-64 years old during the campaign). Reagan was 69 and 73 during his campaigns previously. Dukakis was 9 years younger--not a huge gap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,112 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 According to this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election Bush was trailing Dukakis in public polls in July. By mid-September he was in the lead. Bush announced his selection of Quayle on the second day of the convention, August 16th. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,112 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 The accepted answer on this page makes the case that Quayle was chosen because he would consolidate and energize the conservative base, and was youthful and telegenic. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/7771/why-did-george-h-w-bush-select-dan-quayle-as-his-running-mate-in-1988 Hmmm ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Actinguy 862 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, admin_270 said: The accepted answer on this page makes the case that Quayle was chosen because he would consolidate and energize the conservative base, and was youthful and telegenic. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/7771/why-did-george-h-w-bush-select-dan-quayle-as-his-running-mate-in-1988 Hmmm ... This 1988 article says Bush saw him as a 100% loyal “attack dog”, which was used to be the only thing VPs were really expected to do. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-08-18-8801230843-story,amp.html Theres also a theory in the article that he could appeal to baby boomers due to his age, but his politics didn’t actually align that way according to others in the same article. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 514 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 35 minutes ago, admin_270 said: I laughed, but when I looked up 'Hitlerism' it seems like a perfectly good English word, going back to 1925. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hitlerism "the principles and policies associated with Hitler" Although, as I've said a few times, you could say Trump had a "Hitlerist" campaigning style in 2016, even if the rest of his Presidency isn't "Hitlerist" (though his bad combover comes dangerously close to the Fuhrer as well). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vcczar 1,265 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 minutes ago, admin_270 said: According to this Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_United_States_presidential_election Bush was trailing Dukakis in public polls in July. By mid-September he was in the lead. Bush announced his selection of Quayle on the second day of the convention, August 16th. That's surprising. I don't remember it feeling that way, but I was only 9 years old then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Actinguy 862 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 minutes ago, Patine said: Although, as I've said a few times, you could say Trump had a "Hitlerist" campaigning style in 2016, even if the rest of his Presidency isn't "Hitlerist" (though his bad combover comes dangerously close to the Fuhrer as well). I agree entirely, and only regret that we’ve so overused Hitler comparisons in past political disagreements, that now that it’s actually applicable, there is no wind left in those sails. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 514 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Just now, Actinguy said: This 1988 article says Bush saw him as a 100% loyal “attack dog”, which was used to be the only thing VPs were really expected to do. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1988-08-18-8801230843-story,amp.html Theres also a theory in the article that he could appeal to baby boomers due to his age, but his politics didn’t actually align that way according to others in the same article. That role, also called a hatchet man, was also what former Pope John Paul II used Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre-Elliott Trudeau used then cabinet minister Jean Chretien for,. And, given the men in question later became a Pope and a Canadian Prime Minister in their own right, the value of likely succession is similar to an American Vice-President (though not in Quayle's case, but often). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 240 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Quayle had very little impact on the 1988 election, as is typical for running mates. Bush had been closing the poll gap steadily during the summer. After the convention he attacked Dukakis' ignorance of the military, leading to a disastrous photo op. Then he unleashed a brutal negative ad campaign that included attacking Dukakis' environmental record as governor and, of course, the infamous race-baiting Willie Horton ads. Dukakis never had a chance of recovering from that. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 514 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 45 minutes ago, pilight said: Quayle had very little impact on the 1988 election, as is typical for running mates. Bush had been closing the poll gap steadily during the summer. After the convention he attacked Dukakis' ignorance of the military, leading to a disastrous photo op. Then he unleashed a brutal negative ad campaign that included attacking Dukakis' environmental record as governor and, of course, the infamous race-baiting Willie Horton ads. Dukakis never had a chance of recovering from that. But of course, Bush was a former CIA Director, and I could never support such a vile criminal on that scale. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 240 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 49 minutes ago, Patine said: But of course, Bush was a former CIA Director, and I could never support such a vile criminal on that scale. It's tough to choose between someone amoral & power hungry and someone ill-suited & unprepared. In 1988 Americans chose the former, in 2016 the latter. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 514 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 minute ago, pilight said: It's tough to choose between someone amoral & power hungry and someone ill-suited & unprepared. In 1988 Americans chose the former, in 2016 the latter. Mind, in 1988, the only other ones even on the BALLOT in the GE were a militant Black nationalist and - well, Ron Paul, so... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pilight 240 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 2 hours ago, Patine said: Mind, in 1988, the only other ones even on the BALLOT in the GE were a militant Black nationalist and - well, Ron Paul, so... I voted for Fulani. Given the same choices, I'd probably do so again. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Harris campaign claims less than 1/2 of Buttigieg’s 2nd Q fundraising total. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,112 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Wonder if that accelerated post-debate significantly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 million is post debate she raised under 10 pre debate 2Q Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Anthony_270 1,112 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 So 20% raised in 5% of the days. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I have t read the reports just the campaign statement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Actinguy 862 Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 2 hours ago, HonestAbe said: Harris campaign claims less than 1/2 of Buttigieg’s 2nd Q fundraising total. Yikes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jayavarman 130 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Now that Mayor Buttigieg has a crapload of money, he need to rapidly ramp up his campaign infrastructure and expand his support base, especially with minorities. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hestia11 606 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 5:22 PM, Actinguy said: Yikes. On 7/5/2019 at 2:45 PM, HonestAbe said: Harris campaign claims less than 1/2 of Buttigieg’s 2nd Q fundraising total. But she has 3x the polling numbers. Votes matter in the end. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 44 minutes ago, Hestia11 said: But she has 3x the polling numbers. Votes matter in the end. Only if you get to 15% Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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