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1 minute ago, admin_270 said:

Exactly - and Trump's business troubles during that period are well known. He learned from his mistakes and rebuilt his business until it had a net worth of ~3B by 2016, putting him among the wealthiest people in the world.

Do we have a source for the $3 Billion?

A lot of that, I recall from investigations during the primaries, turned out to be articles quoting articles quoting articles quoting articles quoting articles that turned out to be originally taking Trump at his word.

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1 minute ago, admin_270 said:

So irrationality is an asset in building $3B businesses?

He has at least 1B in losses and probably more than that. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s lost more money than he’s ever made. I don’t think it’s possible for you or anyone to make a successful argument that he’s been a successful business man. Too many failures. Oprah’s been more successful. Howard Schultz has been more successful. Warren Buffet has been more successful. Should they be president? Would they make good presidents? I think Trump was given a lot of potential to have been successful at their level but his own mental deficiencies and personality deficiencies probably limited his success. I mean, 1 billion in losses? He’s running the country? Pathetic. 

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5 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s lost more money than he’s ever made. I don’t think it’s possible for you or anyone to make a successful argument that he’s been a successful business man.

VCCzar, *net* worth of $3B. In 2016 and now, he's one of the wealthiest people in the world, and one of the most successful businessmen in those terms.

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52 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

OK then. I'll leave it there.

That's fine, but for others I will extrapolate.

When I was in the military, I was stationed near a casino.  I had no wife and no children at this time -- I lived alone, and in truth...though I did not consider myself to be suicidal...I had nothing in particular to live for.  Of course, if you have nothing to live for, then you also have nothing to lose.

I was low-ranking and probably only made around $30,000 per year, give or take.  Eventually, this was not enough to pay my bills one month so I took out a loan.  The loan paid my bills with just a little left over, and took that little bit...maybe $100...to that casino.   Was this a smart thing to do with borrowed money?  No!  But I figured, fuck it, let's go.

At the time, I thought I was a decent poker player.  But this particular day the cards weren't coming my way...or maybe I was actually just a worse player than I thought...and I nearly lost it all before getting about half of it back.  I cashed out with $60 and started to the casino exit.  

Then I saw the blackjack table.  Well, what's the point of leaving with less money than I came in with?  I want to either win or lose trying.  Let's take my $60 to the blackjack table.

Well, minimum bet is $5 so that's what I'm doing for a while.  After a bit of time, I catch a bit of luck and my $60 (which was actually a borrowed $100) has turned into about $300.  My hands are shaking as I cash out.  Wow!  I tripled my money!

But at the same time...why am I cashing out?  I've just proven that I am REALLY good at Blackjack! Or even just really lucky, but either way -- I'm walking away when I could make MORE money!

So after getting the cash in my hand, I walk straight back to a blackjack table and buy chips again.  And then I put all $300 on a single hand of blackjack.

My heart is pounding.  I've never felt so alive.  The adrenaline, the fear, the excitement.  

It's a push.  No money changes hands.  I let it ride.

And on the second go, I win!  WOW!  $600!  I can pay off my loan completely with a little to spare!  Man, I feel amazing!

Unless....

I bet the full $600 just one last time.

And I hit again.

$1200!!!  Holy shit!  This is a story for the ages.  Nobody is going to believe this.  I skip out of the casino, $1,200 richer.  I pay off my loan, I bank the rest, I'm happy.

But the rest of my normal life doesn't compare to that feeling I got in the casino.  That incredible high.  I'm not one for drinking or drugs, so I can't compare them, but the urge to gamble again is overwhelming.

Time passes a bit while I save up, but eventually I have $3,000 to take to the casino.  I'm playing $100 a hand, and eventually I reach $10,000.  My god!  I've never seen so much money in my life.  I take photos of the money spread out across my coffee table.  I take photos of myself holding the money, to prove it's really me.  I send extremely embarrassing messages in hindsight to various girls I know.  I lose my mind.  $10,000!

But...if I can do $10,000....

Can't I do $100,000?

I'm not COMPLETELY insane, of course.  I know that I can't turn $10,000 into $100,000 overnight.  

But over the course of a year...if I win JUST $275 dollars per day, every single day, for a year...that will be MORE than $100,000.

Of course, winning $275 dollars even ONE day at a casino is incredibly lucky.  Who am I to think that I can do it every single day for a whole year?

Well, I'm the guy with the bankroll.  

Most people can't win $275 at the casino because they're more likely to lose the $50 they bring to the casino before they hit for $275.  But if I walk in with $10,000, then I can afford a string of losses before I hit that 275.  

I become sincerely convinced that I can actually do this.

And so I start waking up at 3 AM every day to go to the casino before I have to go to work.  And for a while, yes, I actually do win.  I buy a car, I furnish my apartment, I get a new computer.  All while keeping my original bankroll intact.  I eventually reached about $30k (including the purchases), and kept chasing more.

But I'm not just chasing $100,000 anymore.  I'm also chasing a FEELING.  A feeling that $5 bets just don't produce anymore.  Even $100 bets aren't cutting it.

No...now the only way to feel alive it to make $1,000 bets on a single hand.

Well...that story ends exactly the way that it should have all along:

I lost every penny. 

My $10,000 to $100,000 plan MIGHT have worked, if I'd had the patience to make smaller bets.  MAYBE.  At least, I might have wised up and stopped trying while I still had money in my pocket, had I gone slower and paced myself.

But at $1,000 per hand, all it took was one bad deck to wipe me out completely.   I couldn't pay my electric bill that month.  I had to live off of Ramen.  

But who cares, I thought.  Just a small setback.  I can rebuild and go again.  I've learned lessons this time.  I'm smarter.  Wiser.  That $100k is just around the corner.  Just gotta save up a few hundred first....

Thankfully, I ended up meeting my wife in that interim period before I could save up enough money to lose it all again.  All of a sudden, I had someone depending on me -- I had CONSEQUENCES to losing a small fortune on the flip of a card.  I realized her happiness when I won money would never outweigh her irritation when I lost.  She was looking for stability in her life -- not someone who didn't care whether the electric bill was paid.

All of a sudden, I had FEAR.  

That fear was enough to break my gambling addiction.  I married the girl, had a baby, bought a house, and eventually reached a point in my career where I actually make that $100k per year in the normal, stable way instead.

But my point of the story is that the ONLY way I could turn $60 into $10,000 was by making the WRONG decision at every single step of the way.  Just because I got lucky results did not mean that I was smart or skilled or even lucky in the long term.  I just kept doing stupid things without consequences, and this fueled me to keep making stupider and stupider decisions until I finally had something I cared about enough to stop.

The secret to my success of turning $60 into about $30k...and my plan to take it all the way to $100k...was simply "care about nothing more than you care about making this money."  Therefore, the ONLY thing that could stop me from succeeding was losing all the money...and even then, it was only a temporary setback until I saved up enough to go again.  Because I didn't have to worry about things like "how will I feed my family" or even care if the electric got shut off, no consequence could actually touch me.  It was all in pursuit of my single goal.  Absolute worst case scenario, I'd still have my day job to keep me alive, and if I lost it all I'd really only be down the original $60 I went to the casino with months earlier.

None of that story indicates that I have the skillset to lead a nation.  Only the temporary insanity to grow my wealth exponentially -- until my wife ultimately brought me back to my senses, where I had to worry about consequences again.

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1 hour ago, SilentLiberty said:

Trump absolutely is clever and bold. He's also extremely charismatic. A Trump rally is literally unlike any other political rally. It's an event. Trump and the people at those rallies absolutely love and feed off of each other. That is another big part in why he got elected. His physical campaigning is probably his biggest strength imo.

The exact same, in that specific light - DISCLAIMER: no other inherent comparisons here being made, except maybe a comical hairstyle - with Adolf Hitler in the late Weimar Republic elections. It's not necessarily a good trait for a quality leader, but a far better one for a used car or snake oil salesman.

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1 hour ago, admin_270 said:

VCCzar, *net* worth of $3B. In 2016 and now, he's one of the wealthiest people in the world, and one of the most successful businessmen in those terms.

He SAYS that's his net worth. But Mark Cuban might be right that the REAL reason he's withholding his taxes is NOT because of tax evasion or malfeasance, but because he's lying about how rich he is and that's one lie he DOESN'T want to caught in.

Plus, as I told @ThePotatoWalrus a while (in fact, in response to Trump's bank account), monetary wealth is NOT a sign of success in life at all. ALL it is a measure of is how much or how much purchasing power for parity that person possesses at that time, HOWEVER they may have gained it. It determines or signifies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE about the success, competence, or accomplishments of a person.

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2 hours ago, Actinguy said:

WHAT.

Self awareness...maybe.  Only to the extent that he's actually voiced awareness that having ridiculous hair is part of his brand.  And maaaaybe saying that he "could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and (he) wouldn’t lose voters."  Though I'd argue that's more an awareness of the lack of consequences that he's faced over the course of his entire life.

Curiosity.  I can't think of a single time he's acknowledged that he should learn more on a topic.  When asked during the campaign who he is consulting with when he spouts nonsense about foreign policy, his actual response was that he consults with himself because he has "a really good brain."

Adaptability.  Maybe?  I mean, he obviously learned how to use Twitter late in life, but he doesn't appear to have adapted to the Presidency at ALL.  

Humility.  I think he would be sincerely insulted to hear that someone had called him humble.

Empathy.  Maybe, provided that you look and act and think like he does.  He seems to think that he really is doing good for the American people by constructing a wall, for example, though he turns a blind eye to the fact that children are being stolen and kept in cages.  

Courage.  I guess I could see where someone would say this...but I'd say it's connected to the fact that he's never faced an actual consequence in his entire life.  What does he have to be afraid of?  If you were literally bullet proof, would you be afraid to go to war?  If you were literally fireproof, would it be brave of you to rush into a burning building?  Trump's entire life has told him that there is a 0% chance of something going wrong for him.  Sure, everyone around him may be destroyed his actions, but not him.  That, in my mind, is not courage.

Incisive intelligence.  I take this to mean analytical thinking.  Again, I'd say this is entirely missing from Trump's portfolio.

Worldliness.  Sure, he's been to other countries.  But has he been to a single one without completely embarrassing himself?  

Significant experience as a citizen of the middle class - Trump himself would deny this outrageous accusation.

A mindset for service for the majority:  Trump exclusively serves Trump.  

Good people skills - This one I will grant...it's just that he's only good with the absolute worst kind of people.


 

I agree with this completely, and I wouldn't have been so nice, and @admin_270's rebuttals seem like an idealistic and impressionable little boy trying to convince everyone his celebrity idol is REALLY STILL a great and stellar, someone whose just awesome, despite being told how much of an ogre he is and exactly, in quite clear and rational terms, why.

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2 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

No, Trump says his net worth is $10B.

$3B is Forbes' best estimate.

Still, my dismissal as to it's REAL relevance to his, or anyone else's, level or value of success, competence, or accomplishment in life stands.

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

I agree with this completely, and I wouldn't have been so nice, and @admin_270's rebuttals seem like an idealistic and impressionable little boy trying to convince everyone his celebrity idol is REALLY STILL a great and stellar, someone whose just awesome, despite being told how much of an ogre he is and exactly, in quite clear and rational terms, why.

I’ll have to agree with this. It’s also like trying to argue with a flat earther or someone that thinks the moon landing is fake. I should probably just ignore people that defend the ludicrous. 

 

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

He SAYS that's his net worth. But Mark Cuban might be right that the REAL reason he's withholding his taxes is NOT because of tax evasion or malfeasance, but because he's lying about how rich he is and that's one lie he DOESN'T want to caught in.

Plus, as I told @ThePotatoWalrus a while (in fact, in response to Trump's bank account), monetary wealth is NOT a sign of success in life at all. ALL it is a measure of is how much or how much purchasing power for parity that person possesses at that time, HOWEVER they may have gained it. It determines or signifies ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE about the success, competence, or accomplishments of a person.

Idk if I had towers all over the world, belonged in the top 1% of the 1% of the 1%, and had virtually everything I wanted (while also being the most powerful man in the world) I would consider that pretty damn successful. Trump is a role model for all young American men when it comes to his legacy.

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2 hours ago, admin_270 said:

No, Trump says his net worth is $10B.

$3B is Forbes' best estimate.

This is true. Though I remember his net worth being $3.8B Last time I checked.

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

That's what I thought when I read your defense of Trump... :P

Ditto. And I know we aren’t the only ones. Another forum user who I won’t name was equally shocked as we are. 

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12 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Idk if I had towers all over the world, belonged in the top 1% of the 1% of the 1%, and had virtually everything I wanted (while also being the most powerful man in the world) I would consider that pretty damn successful. Trump is a role model for all young American men when it comes to his legacy.

You only believe that because your thinking and view of success in life is shallow, vapid, and without substance. I, myself, would not want any of what you listed above, and would consider it a curse upon my lifestyle. Also, any young American men who view Trump as a role model have obviously abdicated all thinking and sense of proportion and should all be shunned, one and all, with utter derision and contempt.

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3 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I should probably just ignore people that defend the ludicrous.

Look guys, I have studied Trump's campaign more than probably almost anyone in the world. These are my measured conclusions. I very well may be wrong, but saying Trump is a bumbling idiot who just happened to win the primaries and then general is improbable enough that it has to be left aside.

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51 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Look guys, I have studied Trump's campaign more than probably almost anyone in the world. These are my measured conclusions. I very well may be wrong, but saying Trump is a bumbling idiot who just happened to win the primaries and then general is improbable enough that it has to be left aside.

Trump is without a doubt one of the most intelligent men alive. His way of manipulating people, business, and the media for his own gain, regardless of moral questionability, is nearly unmatched in any field. Everything he does or says has a unique purpose to it, even the stuff he says to enrage some people. He won in 2016 and he'll win even bigger next year. His IQ is at least ten points higher than mine (144) which is something I won't admit about most people.

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4 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Trump is without a doubt one of the most intelligent men alive. His way of manipulating people, business, and the media for his own gain, regardless of moral questionability, is nearly unmatched in any field. Everything he does or says has a unique purpose to it, even the stuff he says to enrage some people. He won in 2016 and he'll win even bigger next year. His IQ is at least ten points higher than mine (144) which is something I won't admit about most people.

There's more to the broad concept of "intelligent" than IQ (which is a highly misleading statistic) and ability to manipulate certain kinds of people. I'm not saying he's stupid at all (if you READ my posts, I more run down the rational thinking of his rabid supporters), and he is quite bright, if lacking perspective, restraint, education on many topics a head-of-state REALLY should know more about, and sense of context and proportion, but he's not "one of the most intelligent men alive."

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54 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Look guys, I have studied Trump's campaign more than probably almost anyone in the world. These are my measured conclusions. I very well may be wrong, but saying Trump is a bumbling idiot who just happened to win the primaries and then general is improbable enough that it has to be left aside.

I'm not saying he just bumbled his way though the primaries. I'm saying he hasn't any admirable qualities as a president or nominee, based on the list I presented and that he's rather unsuccessful business man relative to Forbes-level success. He's lost fortunes. I think @Actinguy made a good statement on this. In regards to the primaries, I think he has a good ability of advertising himself to a base that can be easily duped. This strong base helped him. I'm talking about the 35% of the voters that would probably still vote for him if he were found guilty of collusion during 2016. I think he bumbles his way through speeches. I think he's also probably suffering from early stages of dementia (lack of editing mechanism is a big clue, since he didn't always speak like that).  I think most of his campaign success is through the efforts of people like Bannon, Kushner, etc. Trump's greatest traits are advertising and telling his 35% exactly what they want to hear. Maybe I'll say he's 50% bumbling idiot and 50% opportunist. I think he has an innate understanding of the base desires of people that are prone to follow the wills and dreams of a compulsive liar. This is been a huge reason why he's been able to market himself well despite a gauntlet of failures. 

I think the victory in the general had more to do with Democratic bumbling and Russian interference in MI, WI, PA, than with anything even hinting at genius on Trump's part. I do think Trump's team had a better understanding than Clinton's team (and I say this even though my own cousin was her campaign manager) at how to campaign in 2016. 

That's about as much credit as I can give Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if even the successes in his youth had more to do with people doing the thinking for him. That's likely how he graduated from U of Penn. 

Lastly, I'm done talking about this. I've said my say, and I'm struggling now to maintain any respect for people that do support Trump because he's Trump. And rather than raising my blood pressure, I should probably just block people (even if that person is @admin_270 ) that are intoxicated with Trump, since one has to surrender the ability to reason to justify anything admirable in him. I think of his die-hard supporters (his 35%) on the same level as I think of flat-earthers.

I can understand the supporters that support him because they want Conservative Judges, don't want a Democrat in office, or belong to some sort of profession that would benefit from Republican policies, etc--that is, the same ones who would have supported Kasich, Cruz, Jeb Bush, had they been elected instead. That is understandable. Thinking a compulsive liar is admirable and makes a good president is not. That is a kind of dark idiocy. 

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19 minutes ago, Patine said:

There's more to the broad concept of "intelligent" than IQ (which is a highly misleading statistic) and ability to manipulate certain kinds of people. I'm not saying he's stupid at all (if you READ my posts, I more run down the rational thinking of his rabid supporters), and he is quite bright, if lacking perspective, restraint, education on many topics a head-of-state REALLY should know more about, and sense of context and proportion, but he's not "one of the most intelligent men alive."

@ThePotatoWalrus is just trolling you as he likes to do. 

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10 minutes ago, vcczar said:

he's rather unsuccessful business man relative to Forbes-level success

He is on the latest *Forbes* top-1000 most wealthy people in the world list. Again, his net worth is $3.1B - he's an immensely financially successful person.

11 minutes ago, vcczar said:

I should probably just block people (even if that person is @admin_270 ) that are intoxicated with Trump

How are you ever going to understand how people who support Trump think, if this is your attitude towards a (in my opinion) mild statement about Trump's abilities. I'm open to being wrong about thinking he has most of the traits on your list in varying degrees, but even you say 3 are arguable. I think most are arguable. That you view this as 'being intoxicated with Trump' suggests you need to listen more to people who like Trump. To be clear, I'm agnostic about Trump and whether he's good for the U.S. - the economy has clearly been doing very well, but the extent to which it's Trump's credit is debatable. I like the general idea of many of his populist policies (as I like Sanders'), but obviously his rhetoric has been at times brutal. He has kept the U.S. out of any major escalation of troops in foreign interventions so far, but that might change. And so on.

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40 minutes ago, Patine said:

There's more to the broad concept of "intelligent" than IQ (which is a highly misleading statistic)

Sounds like a low IQ comment to me but ok

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