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Forum Historical Election Poll #14


Forum Historical Election Poll #14  

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  1. 1. Who would you vote for if transported back to the 1944 election?

    • Dem: FDR & Harry S Truman
    • Rep: Thomas Dewey & John W. Bricker
  2. 2. Who would you vote for if transported back to the 1948 election?

    • Dem: Harry S Truman & Alben Barkley
    • Rep: Thomas Dewey & Earl Warren
    • States Rights: Strom Thurmond & Fielding Wright
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    • Progressive: Henry A. Wallace & Glen Taylor
  3. 3. Who would you vote for if transported back to the 1952 election?

    • Rep: Dwight Eisenhower & Richard Nixon
    • Dem: Adlai Stevenson II & John Sparkman
    • Progressive: Vincent Hallinan & Charlotta Bass


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Re-Election Forum Presidential History: Presidents and VPs

1a.  George Washington & John Adams, 1789-1793

1b.  George Washington & John Adams 1793-1797

2a.  Thomas Jefferson & John Adams 1797-1801

2b. Thomas Jefferson & John Adams 1801-1805

2c. Thomas Jefferson & George Clinton 1805-1809

3a. James Madison & George Clinton 1809-1813

3b. James Madison & Elbridge Gerry 1813-1817

4a. James Monroe & Daniel D. Tompkins 1817-1821

5a. John Quincy Adams & Richard Rush 1821-1825

6a. Henry Clay & Nathan Sanford 1825-1829

7a. John Quincy Adams & Richard Rush 1829-1833

8a. Henry Clay & John Sergeant 1833-1837

9a. Daniel Webster & Francis Granger 1837-1841

10a. James Birney & Thomas Earle 1841-1845

10b. James Birney & Thomas Morris 1845-1849

11a. Gerrit Smith & Charles Foote 1849-1853

12a. Winfield Scott & William A. Graham 1853-1857

13a. John C. Fremont & William L. Dayton 1857-1861

14a. Abraham Lincoln & Hannibal Hamlin 1861-1865

14b. Abraham Lincoln & Andrew Johnson 1865

15a. Andrew Johnson *takes presidency on Lincoln's assassination* 1865-1869

16a. Ulysses S. Grant & Schuyler Colfax 1869-1873

16b. Ulysses S. Grant & Henry Wilson 1873-1877

17a. Rutherford B. Hayes & William Wheeler 1877-1881

18a. James A. Garfield & Chester A. Arthur 1881

19a. Chester A. Arthur *takes presidency on Garfield's assassination* 1881-1885

20a. Grover Cleveland & Thomas A. Hendricks 1885-1889

21a. Alson Streeter & Charles E. Cunningham 1889-1893

22a. Simon Wing & Charles Matchett 1893-1897

23a. William McKinley & Garret Hobart 1897-1901

23b. William McKinley & Theodore Roosevelt 1901

24a. Theodore Roosevelt *takes presidency on McKinley's assassination* 1901-1905

24b. Theodore Roosevelt & Charles W. Fairbanks 1905-1909

25a. Eugene V. Debs & Benjamin Hanford 1909-1913

26a. Theodore Roosevelt & Hiram Johnson 1913-1917

27a. Charles Evans Hughes & Charles W. Fairbanks 1917-1921

28a. Warren G. Harding & Calvin Coolidge 1921-1923

29a. Calvin Coolidge *takes presidency after Harding's death* 1923-1925

30a. Robert La Follette & Burton K. Wheeler 1925

31a. Burton K. Wheeler *takes presidency after La Follette's death* 1925-1929

32a. Herbert Hoover & Charles Curtis 1929-1933

33a. FDR & John Nance Garner 1933-1937

33b. FDR & John Nance Garner 1937-1941

33c. FDR & Henry A. Wallace 1941-1945

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5 hours ago, Nulla Lex Ink. said:

It's early but it seems like this one is going to play out as it did in real life.

A lot of the more conservative members have yet to vote.

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42 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

A lot of the more conservative members have yet to vote.

"There is truly no such thing as a political conservative. They do not exist. There are progressives. There are radicals. There are regressives. There are those who approach change moderately. And there are those whose efforts will destroy civilization, even if they do not see it. But, in politics, one cannot "conserve" an ideal, nostalgic state of society anymore than one can wrap water in wrapping paper with one's hands."

I wish I could remember who coined that quote, but it's now become a favourite of mine. :P

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19 minutes ago, Patine said:

"There is truly no such thing as a political conservative. They do not exist. There are progressives. There are radicals. There are regressives. There are those who approach change moderately. And there are those whose efforts will destroy civilization, even if they do not see it. But, in politics, one cannot "conserve" an ideal, nostalgic state of society anymore than one can wrap water in wrapping paper with one's hands."

I wish I could remember who coined that quote, but it's now become a favourite of mine. :P

By progressive you mean people who unironically support the genocides committed by China and the Soviet Union, right?

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5 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

By progressive you mean people who unironically support the genocides committed by China and the Soviet Union, right?

No, those would be among "those whose efforts will destroy civilization, even if they do not see it." I'm not hypocritical when I say I don't necessary, or even often, buy into self-labelling by many politicians. I firmly do believe that many politicians and political ideologues, across the spectrum, not just in one part of it (where most people today restrict a comfort zone somewhere therein to truly limit their only meaningful and plaintiff criticism for) are lying outright to their constituents, those who would give them PR and coverage, their political opponents, and perhaps even themselves about what political label they REALLY live up to.

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5 minutes ago, Patine said:

No, those would be among "those whose efforts will destroy civilization, even if they do not see it." I'm not hypocritical when I say I don't necessary, or even often, buy into self-labelling by many politicians. I firmly do believe that many politicians and political ideologues, across the spectrum, not just in one part of it (where most people today restrict a comfort zone somewhere therein to truly limit their only meaningful and plaintiff criticism for) are lying outright to their constituents, those who would give them PR and coverage, their political opponents, and perhaps even themselves about what political label they REALLY live up to.

Still reeling from that quick, decisive, non-dissembling, unexpectedly concise retort there, @ThePotatoWalrus? :P

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4 minutes ago, Patine said:

No, the General and the McCarthyist Crook seem to be winning. :(

Yeah. I was really hoping for Henry A. Wallace. I'm going to calculate this poll after I finish grading papers. So I guess he still has a chance to win, but I don't know if we have any voters left. 

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Eisenhower wasn't perfect, but he was a great man and a great president. Any list of the best presidents has to have Eisenhower close to the top. His achievements surpass nearly any modern president. I could write 100 pages just gushing over Eisenhower my respect for him is so immense. I'll end this by restating that of course Eisenhower wasn't perfect and he has many of the standard faults for someone who governed in the 50's and early 60's.

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6 minutes ago, ZedWilliamsR said:

Eisenhower wasn't perfect, but he was a great man and a great president. Any list of the best presidents has to have Eisenhower close to the top. His achievements surpass nearly any modern president. I could write 100 pages just gushing over Eisenhower my respect for him is so immense. I'll end this by restating that of course Eisenhower wasn't perfect and he has many of the standard faults for someone who governed in the 50's and early 60's.

That's why he was just the bland epithet "the General," and Nixon got the harsher one. Although, the Cold War, of which Eisenhower was one of the big ones to draw the initial lines of, I don't believe was at all necessary to have happened. It largely resulted because of political blundering and intolerance, rabid (and often blatantly false, or highly stereotyped) propaganda, and the profusion and promotion of raw fear on both sides that ultimately kicked it off irrevocably. But maybe I just expect too much, and monumental human stupidity will always take disproportionate costs in all areas of human endeavour. :(

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12 minutes ago, ZedWilliamsR said:

Eisenhower wasn't perfect, but he was a great man and a great president. Any list of the best presidents has to have Eisenhower close to the top. His achievements surpass nearly any modern president. I could write 100 pages just gushing over Eisenhower my respect for him is so immense. I'll end this by restating that of course Eisenhower wasn't perfect and he has many of the standard faults for someone who governed in the 50's and early 60's.

He is my top post-WWII Republican for sure. 

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40 minutes ago, Patine said:

That's why he was just the bland epithet "the General," and Nixon got the harsher one. Although, the Cold War, of which Eisenhower was one of the big ones to draw the initial lines of, I don't believe was at all necessary to have happened. It largely resulted because of political blundering and intolerance, rabid (and often blatantly false, or highly stereotyped) propaganda, and the profusion and promotion of raw fear on both sides that ultimately kicked it off irrevocably. But maybe I just expect too much, and monumental human stupidity will always take disproportionate costs in all areas of human endeavour. :(

It's unfair to say the cold war started because of 'stupidity' or political blundering. it was mostly rational behavior between two competing superpowers. If anyone would take most of the blame I would give it to Stalin for rejecting Marshall Plan aid to Eastern Europe and funding the CPUSA and other communist groups in other countries. Anyway the 'lines' of the cold war were already drawn by 1946, especially with Churchill's 'Iron Curtain' speech. I mean, immediately after WW2 it was obvious Stalin wasn't interested in peaceful co-existence because he stopped his diplomats from even negotiating, instead they were ordered to pretend to be offended by something and storm out of negotiations.  

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I didn't swap horses midstream, I worked with Wallace and Ike was alright but Hallinan was better.

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4 hours ago, ZedWilliamsR said:

Eisenhower wasn't perfect, but he was a great man and a great president. Any list of the best presidents has to have Eisenhower close to the top. His achievements surpass nearly any modern president. I could write 100 pages just gushing over Eisenhower my respect for him is so immense. I'll end this by restating that of course Eisenhower wasn't perfect and he has many of the standard faults for someone who governed in the 50's and early 60's.

Compared to every President after him, and a good few before him, Eisenhower didn't greatly expand the power of the office like others did, that to me is a big thing going in his favor. Andddd a lotta people loved the 50's in that post war boom period of American history and it was Eisenhower who led the nation during that time. So while he wasn't perfect, timing worked out and in some ways he was the perfect person at the perfect time. 

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1 hour ago, victorraiders said:

yes need more conservatives members

We need less strict partisan and ideological down-the-line voters period, and more who think about the current context and situation, and vote and give support on a case-by-case basis of what's best at that given time. Partisan loyalty and ideological purity have become socio-political toxins and diseases. They powerfully inhibit rationality, perspective, and an ability to do what's best for one's nation and people.

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