Economics Poll

[ZedWilliamsR 0]

The downfall of Social Democracy is protectionism and populism. Bernie Sanders almost completely agrees with Trump on trade, I don't want anyone who thinks America should still be a manufacturing focused economy in a position of power. Especially when it means disregarding the overwhelming consensus between economists on the importance of free trade and a competitive economy. 

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306   This is the transcript of a very telling interview. When Bernie is asked to explain his policies deeper than "Tuition free college and M4A" he falters spectacularly. 

[Patine 468]

22 minutes ago, jdm06ltd said:

"If you like Shit on the streets in California, those Socialists have done one hell of a job...."

That's the second time you've brought up the "shit on the streets" argument. Can you back it up, or is it just a bad stereotype you're leaning on as an argument? Because I think you're woefully uninformed but quoting myths and misinformation as though they were facts. Unfortunately, you're not the only one doing that today. Not by far. In fact, the man currently in the White House has made a trademark of that perfidious practice. And, even worse, there are a lot of idiots who actually believe these fallacies and take them as though they were irrefutable fact. What a death spiral of credibility there. You must be proud to be a part of it...

[ZedWilliamsR 0]

10 minutes ago, Patine said:

That's the second time you've brought up the "shit on the streets" argument. Can you back it up, or is it just a bad stereotype you're leaning on as an argument? Because I think you're woefully uninformed but quoting myths and misinformation as though they were facts. Unfortunately, you're not the only one doing that today. Not by far. In fact, the man currently in the White House has made a trademark of that perfidious practice. And, even worse, there are a lot of idiots who actually believe these fallacies and take them as though they were irrefutable fact. What a death spiral of credibility there. You must be proud to be a part of it...

I've seen human feces, urine, and vomit on the streets of L.A, plenty of mentally ill folk around the city.

[Patine 468]

Just now, ZedWilliamsR said:

I've seen human feces and urine on the streets of L.A

You'll find it in every human settlement, urban or rural, somewhere, if you look. But I think he's referring to a scope and scale that's not there - and then, by some inexplicable rationale, with no sensible connection, blaming it on a "Social Democratic government" that doesn't even exist in California.

[WVProgressive 56]

57 minutes ago, jdm06ltd said:

"If you like Shit on the streets in California, those Socialists have done one hell of a job...."

Do you honestly think that California has a Socialist government? Jerry Brown was governor until recently, and his replacement is from the Democratic Party, not the ISO, SEP, PFP, or any such, actually Socialist party! Also who are quoting? Usually you're supposed to attribute it, like so, "No real social change has ever been brought about without a revolution... revolution is but thought carried into action."- Emma Goldman, you don't just put the quote and trail off.

[pilight 237]

1 hour ago, ZedWilliamsR said:

 I don't want anyone who thinks America should still be a manufacturing focused economy in a position of power

 

The US does about 20% of the world's manufacturing, a percentage that hasn't changed in 50 years. The notion that the US doesn't make things is a myth.

[ZedWilliamsR 0]

40 minutes ago, pilight said:

 

The US does about 20% of the world's manufacturing, a percentage that hasn't changed in 50 years. The notion that the US doesn't make things is a myth.

I never said that the U.S doesn't make things, I meant that manufacturing shouldn't be considered our main focus when we're talking about protectionist & populist politicians trying to 'protect' jobs from going overseas. Which btw it hasn't been for decades. Any politician who thinks consumer products 'ought' to be made in America if they are to be sold here is insane. 

https://imgur.com/a/ufeLMLI  

Edited March 8, 2019 by ZedWilliamsR

[IonicAmalgam 0]

I don't think any of the options in the first question were applicable to me so I had to go with the third option.

1) America has a kleptocratic crony corporatist economy
3) I support a competitive free market capitalist economy with social guardrails to deal with increasing robotics.