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33 minutes ago, Patine said:

Well, actually, you're attacking @WVProgressive's statement to use against something I was the first one to criticize in your way of speaking (that has achieved one of those annoying ignorant, uninformed, cliched, myth-adhering, and even stupid-sounding terms that have inexplicably been accepted as somehow "credible" in the modern parlance, collectively completely denigrating the tone of the modern socio-political dialogue). And I'm still waiting for you to answer my question on what POLITICAL PARTY you actually think I belong to.

Come on, @ThePotatoWalrus, ante up or admit defeat here!

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1 hour ago, HonestAbe said:

Booker (like many) is trying to act the progressive part.  I think if you look at his voting record might be the most moderate of the batch.  

And according to me this is weird

O Rourke tries something interesting, if I was an american I would totally vote for him

Being progressist on society but also kinda realist on economy.

America seems today to agree with some societal issues

Same Sex Marriage for example, about 74% of Americans now agree with it, and between 40 and 50% among the Republican party!

While some issues stay really hot like abortion which is less supported NOW than in 1996 while Same Sex marriage was at 27%.

I believe that Democrats can be progressists on society, but I am afraid about the risk of being too left on economy.

If Florida went to Trump it's also because the middle class favourized Donald Trump.

The Democrats have to take back the middle class, and if the Democratic Party becomes too "progressist" on economy there is a risk to stay away of the independent vote.

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5 minutes ago, Edouard said:

The Democrats have to take back the middle class, and if the Democratic Party becomes too "progressist" on economy there is a risk to stay away of the independent vote.

Why are you so certain the "middle class" as you call it, wouldn't vote for progressive economic policies, even though they are wildly popular, in both parties?

 

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1 minute ago, WVProgressive said:

Why are you so certain the "middle class" as you call it, wouldn't vote for progressive economic policies, even though they are wildly popular, in both parties?

 

For some issues and the first is the former "Obamacare" :(

Obamacare been really popular among popular class but last years before the 2016 presidential election it increased insurance costs for an important part of the middle class

This kind of things pushed people to vote for Trump

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1 minute ago, Edouard said:

For some issues and the first is the former "Obamacare" :(

Obamacare been really popular among popular class but last years before the 2016 presidential election it increased insurance costs for an important part of the middle class

This kind of things pushed people to vote for Trump

Most people, progressives, and socialists especially, hated Obamacare, I wouldn't call that proof that people wouldn't support, actual progressive healthcare plans like M4A.

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10 hours ago, WVProgressive said:

Why are you so certain the "middle class" as you call it, wouldn't vote for progressive economic policies, even though they are wildly popular, in both parties?

 

I agree with Edouard.  

In 2016, as Bernie grew in popularity, I became concerned as I was sure he would be obliterated by any Republican, including Trump, in a general election.  

I don't have anything against Bernie.  I believe that he sincerely believes the things that he says, which is more than I could say for most politicians.  But most of the things weren't achievable at the time, as a President can't do everything on his own, and more than that -- they were SCARY to a sizable portion of the population that didn't exactly love Trump but also weren't willing to become "socialist."  (I am aware that this is not the phrase Bernie and his supporters use -- but I also know this is the nail that Trump would have repeatedly hammered in the general election.

Of course, in the end, Hillary didn't beat Trump either.  So we were damned either way.

In 2020, Bernie's proposals have certainly gained more traction, especially among those running for President today.  But I think we still have WAY more educating to do for the general public, about how this will impact them.  And until they understand that, they are going to continue to be afraid and vote for Trump instead.

I'm not sure that education can happen right now, in the middle of a Presidential election.  I think we need to see a moderate Democrat elected President and THEN start moving to the left.  You can't start on the far left and pull together a winning coalition.

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12 hours ago, Edouard said:

And according to me this is weird

O Rourke tries something interesting, if I was an american I would totally vote for him

Being progressist on society but also kinda realist on economy.

America seems today to agree with some societal issues

Same Sex Marriage for example, about 74% of Americans now agree with it, and between 40 and 50% among the Republican party!

While some issues stay really hot like abortion which is less supported NOW than in 1996 while Same Sex marriage was at 27%.

I believe that Democrats can be progressists on society, but I am afraid about the risk of being too left on economy.

If Florida went to Trump it's also because the middle class favourized Donald Trump.

The Democrats have to take back the middle class, and if the Democratic Party becomes too "progressist" on economy there is a risk to stay away of the independent vote.

beto is overhype he is going to end up like edwards in 2008 (minus the scandal but you never know theses days) a hype canidate who turns out not to be contender.

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5 hours ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

I raise

Well, let's hear it then. What political party do you think I actually belong to? You've put yourself at a handicap here, because you've already identified yourself as a member of the Libertarian Party of the United States.

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2 hours ago, Patine said:

Well, let's hear it then. What political party do you think I actually belong to? You've put yourself at a handicap here, because you've already identified yourself as a member of the Libertarian Party of the United States.

Straight flush of hearts wins pot. Next round folds pre

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