Late December Trump Poll

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

Like those 4 above decisions but hate his administration's choice of banning bump stocks.

Also the NRA is for cucks, i'm sure @Reagan04 agrees as well.  The GOA is where it's at and every supporter of the 2nd Amendment should back them instead.

[WVProgressive 56]

4 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Like those 4 above decisions but hate his administration's choice of banning bump stocks.

Agreed, for all but shutting down the government, of course.

8 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Also the NRA is for cucks, i'm sure @Reagan04 agrees as well.  The GOA is where it's at and every supporter of the 2nd Amendment should back them instead.

Nah, SRA/Redneck Revolt is where it's really at.

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

5 hours ago, WVProgressive said:

Agreed, for all but shutting down the government, of course.

 

Not sure if i'm misreading bc of being slightly hungover from a Christmas party but does that 'agreed' part include bump stocks as well? Bc i'd be surprised if you supported those too. Also never heard of the SRA but find it kind of humorous now.

[WVProgressive 56]

1 hour ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Not sure if i'm misreading bc of being slightly hungover from a Christmas party but does that 'agreed' part include bump stocks as well? Bc i'd be surprised if you supported those too.

Yes (I disagree with banning bump stocks), can't have protracted people's war, without people, who are armed.

[Edouard 121]

What we see is interesting

Some Republicans would switch to independent essentially but nothing more

I have a question for some american friends

Do you believe that Bernie Sanders would have be able to smatch as much as the polls were suggesting considering he is strongly liberal in 2016?

I do not see some states like Missouri or Indiana, even maybe North Carolina including Florida flip for someone that much liberal.

Maybe Sanders would have been able to prevail in swing states however and win the presidency by it.

[Patine 470]

4 hours ago, Edouard said:

Do you believe that Bernie Sanders would have be able to smatch as much as the polls were suggesting considering he is strongly liberal in 2016?

He's not Liberal, he's Social Democratic. I would think someone from France, living in Canada, would know the difference there moreso than most Americans.

[Sunnymentoaddict 39]

4 minutes ago, Patine said:

He's not Liberal, he's Social Democratic. I would think someone from France, living in Canada, would know the difference there moreso than most Americans.

Yeah he even calls himself a socialist- which is sort of true, and a testament to American's lack of knowledge towards socialism- when in reality the most radical part of his platform is his free college or universal health care. Now for liberals, I'd say Clinton is(or for 2020, Beto and Harris).

[Patine 470]

6 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Yeah he even calls himself a socialist- which is sort of true, and a testament to American's lack of knowledge towards socialism- when in reality the most radical part of his platform is his free college or universal health care. Now for liberals, I'd say Clinton is(or for 2020, Beto and Harris).

Clinton (neither husband nor wife) really strike me as that Liberal, to be honest. They both, upon reflection, strike me as the same brutal, opportunistic, and unprincipled Centrists that Richard Nixon (a personal friend of Bill's) was, to be honest.

[Edouard 121]

8 minutes ago, Patine said:

He's not Liberal, he's Social Democratic. I would think someone from France, living in Canada, would know the difference there moreso than most Americans.

Ehm I rather know the specificities of the French and Canadian system than all american denominations

In France to be fair you have, from the far-right to the far-left

 

Conservative Liberal Sovereignist (where Liberal has an economic meaning)

Conservative Social Sovereignist (Marine le Pen)

Conservative Moderate Liberal Patriotic-Sovereignist (Laurent Wauquiez and the Republicans)

Moderate Conservative Moderate Liberal

Liberal Patriotic (right wing of Macron's party)

Centrist and Liberals in general

Social Liberal (Center Left, left wing of Macron(s party)

Ecologist (Moderate Left)

Social Democrat (Moderate Left)

Socialist - Left

"Insoumis" name found to talk about the strong left

Communist

Anticapitalist

 

And upon everything you have some sovereignists from the left anti EU and some others from the Right.

And our greatest far-right in France is economically Left while Far-Right in America (including South) are economically right.

Other strange thing in america the right is champion of decentralization while in Europe left as right are for it and both are doing it.

 

So with all with specificities sometimes I lose my ladder .

[Sunnymentoaddict 39]

4 hours ago, Edouard said:

What we see is interesting

Some Republicans would switch to independent essentially but nothing more

I have a question for some american friends

Do you believe that Bernie Sanders would have be able to smatch as much as the polls were suggesting considering he is strongly liberal in 2016?

I do not see some states like Missouri or Indiana, even maybe North Carolina including Florida flip for someone that much liberal.

Maybe Sanders would have been able to prevail in swing states however and win the presidency by it.

Yeah, MO and Indiana have been becoming more Republican/Conservative in the last few years. Missouri use to be THE swing state; but since Obama, it hasn't voted Democrat. And Indiana's lone Democratic Senator lost his reelection this year- in a year friendly to Democrats! NC might be interesting since if someone a bit more to the center like Biden or Beto could flip that state since has a different set of voters that are friendly to Democrats: large minority population and a growing middle class population that is embracing more liberal positions.

[WVProgressive 56]

11 minutes ago, Edouard said:

And our greatest far-right in France is economically Left

Interesting, could you give some specifics?

[Sunnymentoaddict 39]

13 minutes ago, Patine said:

Clinton (neither husband nor wife) really strike me as that Liberal, to be honest. They both, upon reflection, strike me as the same brutal, opportunistic, and unprincipled Centrists that Richard Nixon (a personal friend of Bill's) was, to be honest.

Opportunistic side, aside, her Senate voting record is fairly center-left. I'll concede that her husband is a centrist.

[Reagan04 658]

23 hours ago, Patine said:

You should feel some guilt for the cold-hearted, callous, detached, aristocratic, Un-Christian, and uncharitable point-of-view you've in the derisive and ivory tower posts you've made about numerous less fortunate people, either by the random birth lottery, or by circumstances often beyond their control. I leave that with a quote by our Lord and Saviour,

"Faith without good works is dead,"

And another quote to show He defines good works,

"Housing the homeless, feeding the poor, and healing the sick."

"Comforting the widows and sheltering the orphans."

Etc.

 

23 hours ago, Patine said:

Well, I guess have a Merry Christmas in your insulated, gilded bubble, Ebenezer...

And to you and yours too, I hope you get out of that (The other side is demons) mentality at some point. It's that time/when the world falls in love, After all.

I don't feel guilty by the way, because I have answers to your questions, I just know you don't want to hear them.

[Edouard 121]

16 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Interesting, could you give some specifics?

Of course!

In France the party of Marine le Pen has been Economically right untill 1991 by anticommunism

Post 1991 and the end of the USSR, the far right (and this is also the case of the german far-right if I am right and a part of the Italian far-right too) decided that now, the biggest threat to the nation was no longer communism but globalization.

And because globalization was the ennemy they started to devellop programs against free-trade, for poor workers

And electorally it worked, for example in France Marine le Pen has 35% of industrial workers with her and far-right is the first party of the industrial workers and even of the poor workers if I am right (what we call the employes).

The far-right also developped a program of giving more intervention from the state in the reindustrialization of the country and extras pensions and subsidies for the people "first".

Far Left and Far Right in France (and probably same for Germany and Italy) only clash on society (progressist vs conservatives) but both are really close on economy apart that the far-right wants to limit it to national citizens.

Like it in 2017 this picture was almost everywhere in Facebook during the second turn

We see the insoumis of Melenchon far Left and Marine and they pull together every point of agreements

The goal is to gather an "Economic left" coalition against Macron who is economically center to center right.

Here are the translations of the points :

Get out EU treaties, NATO, SHENGEN, get out free trades.

"Smart protectionnism"

Popular referendum from the people (which is currently asked by the yellow jackets)

Proportionnal system

End of the liberalization of the work market

Retirement at 60 years old with 40 years old of working

Ban free foreign workers (Mélenchon surely to protect their statute and Marine to close but same promise)

Equality Men and Women

Kepp 35h of working per week

Reduce taxs on poors

Raise minimum wage

As you see a lot of economic points.

[Patine 470]

Just now, Reagan04 said:

 

And to you and yours too, I hope you get out of that (The other side is demons) mentality at some point. It's that time/when the world falls in love, After all.

I don't feel guilty by the way, because I have answers to your questions, I just know you don't want to hear them.

But does the Father on Judgement Day want to hear them. I cannot say. The mercy, grace, and love He has for his creations is beyond all of our knowledge, and beyond the vast majority of us, seemingly to even emulate, despite his son enjoining us so to too. The latter part of that statement is a big part of what I'm saying. And, if only the very tail end of the year is a "time of love" for you, I do worry for you - for a good Christian, all times should ideally be times of love, forgiveness, forebearance, charity, and good works, as Christ enjoined. He never ONCE enjoined, endorsed, or promoted the judgemental, vindictive, elitist, and cold-hearted view of his Church you and a monstrously large number who call yourselves Christians follow today.

[WVProgressive 56]

1 minute ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Opportunistic side, aside, her Senate voting record is fairly center-left. I'll concede that her husband is a centrist.

Being responsible for the death of more than half a million Iraqis and plunging the middle east into darkness, so, uhh... left-wing

[Patine 470]

9 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Opportunistic side, aside, her Senate voting record is fairly center-left. I'll concede that her husband is a centrist.

She voted to invade Iraq in 2003, and spoke passionately on the Senate floor to try and get other Democratic votes for that illegal war on false pretenses and lies,

[Sunnymentoaddict 39]

Just now, WVProgressive said:

Being responsible for the death of more than half a million Iraqis and plunging the middle east into darkness, so, uhh... left-wing

Im not defending her voting record, aside from that terrible vote, it has been relatively center-left.

[Patine 470]

2 minutes ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Im not defending her voting record, aside from that terrible vote, it has been relatively center-left.

Ludwig Kaas, the leader of the German Centre Party from 1928-1933, was described as a pragmatic, sensible, cooperative, and caring man with a desire to do what he thought was best for his constituents. Of course, he did vote for the Enabling Act, but one legislative vote CAN'T be held against him and his legacy at all...

[WVProgressive 56]

2 minutes ago, Patine said:

Ludwig Kaas, the leader of the German Centre Party from 1928-1933, was described as a pragmatic, sensible, cooperative, and caring man with a desire to do what he thought was best for his constituents. Of course, he did vote for the Enabling Act, but one legislative vote CAN'T be held against him and his legacy at all...

Okay listen here bucko, just because he supported Hitler, and helped him in securing his alliance with the vatican, doesn't mean he actually hated jews, it just means he thought the communist, trade unionists, or socialists being kept out of power, were more important than, silly frivolous things like "rights" and "democracy".

 

18 minutes ago, Edouard said:

Of course!

In France the party of Marine le Pen has been Economically right untill 1991 by anticommunism

Post 1991 and the end of the USSR, the far right (and this is also the case of the german far-right if I am right and a part of the Italian far-right too) decided that now, the biggest threat to the nation was no longer communism but globalization.

And because globalization was the ennemy they started to devellop programs against free-trade, for poor workers

And electorally it worked, for example in France Marine le Pen has 35% of industrial workers with her and far-right is the first party of the industrial workers and even of the poor workers if I am right (what we call the employes).

The far-right also developped a program of giving more intervention from the state in the reindustrialization of the country and extras pensions and subsidies for the people "first".

Far Left and Far Right in France (and probably same for Germany and Italy) only clash on society (progressist vs conservatives) but both are really close on economy apart that the far-right wants to limit it to national citizens.

Like it in 2017 this picture was almost everywhere in Facebook during the second turn

We see the insoumis of Melenchon far Left and Marine and they pull together every point of agreements

The goal is to gather an "Economic left" coalition against Macron who is economically center to center right.

Here are the translations of the points :

Get out EU treaties, NATO, SHENGEN, get out free trades.

"Smart protectionnism"

Popular referendum from the people (which is currently asked by the yellow jackets)

Proportionnal system

End of the liberalization of the work market

Retirement at 60 years old with 40 years old of working

Ban free foreign workers (Mélenchon surely to protect their statute and Marine to close but same promise)

Equality Men and Women

Kepp 35h of working per week

Reduce taxs on poors

Raise minimum wage

As you see a lot of economic points.

I'll need more than a single unsourced image macro.

 

[Patine 470]

2 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Okay listen here bucko, just because he supported Hitler, and helped him in securing his alliance with the vatican, doesn't mean he actually hated jews, it just means he thought the communist, trade unionists, or socialists being kept out of power, were more important than, silly frivolous things like "rights" and "democracy".

 

Unlike @NYrepublican (and a strangely large number of other people today), I never said the crimes of the Nazi regime were solely and entirely focused on Jews alone.

[WVProgressive 56]

4 minutes ago, Patine said:

Unlike @NYrepublican (and a strangely large number of other people today), I never said the crimes of the Nazi regime were solely and entirely focused on Jews alone.

I know. That was a joke, of course I know leftists, gay, and disabled people were genocided in the holocaust as well as the Jews.

[Patine 470]

Just now, WVProgressive said:

I know. That was a joke, of course I know leftists, gay, and disabled people were genocided in the holocaust as well as the Jews.

And don't forget the Romani. Because else does.

[Patine 470]

And the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[Edouard 121]

55 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Okay listen here bucko, just because he supported Hitler, and helped him in securing his alliance with the vatican, doesn't mean he actually hated jews, it just means he thought the communist, trade unionists, or socialists being kept out of power, were more important than, silly frivolous things like "rights" and "democracy".

 

I'll need more than a single unsourced image macro.

 

I am French citizen and I passed 20 years of my life in France that isn't enough to convince you about my knowledges of the french political system ?