Patine Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 hour ago, NYrepublican said: Why on Earth will Gantz form a coalition with Netanyahu in your scenario? Was Gantz the one that brought down the government in the first place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ido Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 No idea @NYrepublican I did everything i could to prevent that, tbh I should give each party less PIPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ido Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 36 minutes ago, Patine said: Was Gantz the one that brought down the government in the first place? Nah that was infighting between the parties, Gantz only joined later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2019 Share Posted April 20, 2019 On 4/11/2019 at 10:42 PM, Ido said: No idea @NYrepublican I did everything i could to prevent that, tbh I should give each party less PIPs If I remember correctly they also had Very Good relations with each other. I can’t remember if they start that way or if that came about from them teaming up against everyone else, but parties that would never coalition with each other should probably start with Very Bad relations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ido Posted April 22, 2019 Author Share Posted April 22, 2019 I'll see what I can do with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 @Ido  @NYrepublican After doing some more thorough research, I think the Blue-and-White Party has become my favourite currently significant Israeli party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Just now, Patine said: @Ido  @NYrepublican After doing some more thorough research, I think the Blue-and-White Party has become my favourite currently significant Israeli party. I like Gantz.https://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-israel-must-strike-gaza-forcefully-to-restore-deterrence/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Just now, NYrepublican said: I like Gantz.https://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-israel-must-strike-gaza-forcefully-to-restore-deterrence/ I was more leaning to part of viewing Israel as an actual "nation" in the modern sense, and not a religious homeland, and a two-state solution with Palestine, and centrist domestic policies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 10 minutes ago, Patine said: I was more leaning to part of viewing Israel as an actual "nation" in the modern sense, and not a religious homeland, and a two-state solution with Palestine, and centrist domestic policies. A two-state solution is lovely as a dream but it's not going to realistically happen anytime soon. Most unfortunately. (By God, may I be wrong.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: A two-state solution is lovely as a dream but it's not going to realistically happen anytime soon. Most unfortunately. (By God, may I be wrong.) And peace is kinda hard with guys like this  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: A two-state solution is lovely as a dream but it's not going to realistically happen anytime soon. Most unfortunately. (By God, may I be wrong.) Well, as they say, it takes two to tango - and two to brawl. That's my comment on what's needed, and who's to blame for the failure so far. And the international supporters of both sides are only making matters worse - not helping in the least. Neither "divest Israel" movements, NOR Trump militantly pissing down his embassy in Jerusalem, and making a big show of it so everyone knows, nor most previous efforts for both sides going back to the '40's, have helped, and have only ever exacerbated the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: And peace is kinda hard with guys like this  Or in the face of bombs coming down on purely civilian neighbourhoods, or infrastructure purely for civilians, from Kfirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, Patine said:  Or in the face of bombs coming down on purely civilian neighbourhoods, or infrastructure purely for civilians, from Kfirs. After those kfirs have told you to get out several hours ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 Just now, NYrepublican said: After those kfirs have told you to get out several hours ago. What if you have nowhere to go? The Gaza Strip is a very small, but HIGHLY densely populated region surrounded by closed borders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Patine said: What if you have nowhere to go? The Gaza Strip is a very small, but HIGHLY densely populated region surrounded by closed borders. Maybe a thing to consider before provoking retaliatory strikes by Israel by sending rockets there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 17 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: Maybe a thing to consider before provoking retaliatory strikes by Israel by sending rockets there. So, you believe in group complicency for the guilt of the few? One of the most dangerous ideologies of "guilt" and "blame" conceived by humanity, used to justify massacres, seizures of lands, en masse stripping of rights, forced relocation, Stalin's "collective punishment," the Holocaust, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Patine said: So, you believe in group complicency for the guilt of the few? One of the most dangerous ideologies of "guilt" and "blame" conceived by humanity, used to justify massacres, seizures of lands, en masse stripping of rights, forced relocation, Stalin's "collective punishment," the Holocaust, etc... Is there any case where you would strike at a country due to terrists operating from there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: Is there any case where you would strike at a country due to terrists operating from there? The only nations in the world today with reasonably significant, well-trained, and well-equipped militaries that I believe have military doctrines that truly be called "self-defense" without being insulting lies or utter hypocrisy are Switzerland, Sweden, and Finland. Also, as I've said before, there is no real crime or activity legitimately called "terrorism" - the term is a highly-politicized and arbitrary label used to justify violations of justice, international law, and domestic due process - almost always by nations who, themselves, have groups that should, by their given definitions, have the same label on their own payroll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 24 minutes ago, Patine said: The only nations in the world today with reasonably significant, well-trained, and well-equipped militaries that I believe have military doctrines that truly be called "self-defense" without being insulting lies or utter hypocrisy are Switzerland, Sweden, and Finland. Also, as I've said before, there is no real crime or activity legitimately called "terrorism" - the term is a highly-politicized and arbitrary label used to justify violations of justice, international law, and domestic due process - almost always by nations who, themselves, have groups that should, by their given definitions, have the same label on their own payroll. What is bombing civilians then if not terrorism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 5 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: What is bombing civilians then if not terrorism? Here is a list, by the standard criminal codes of most Western, of the main crimes committed by the groups commonly labelled "terrorist groups" today. -First degree murder (often multiple counts per incident) -Destruction of public and private property -Illegally commandeering vehicles for criminal purposes -Kidnapping and hostage taking -Criminal trespass -Illegal possession of firearms (including military calibre) and ordinances -Illegally entering the nation where said incident takes place -Espousing the violent overthrow of, and advocating violent insurgency against, the nation where said incident takes place -Religious, ethnic, and gender-related (and, in at least one instance, sexual-orientation based) "hate" crime motivation -Criminal fundraising -Extortion, blackmail, and making threats of death and destruction -Forced slavery and slave-trade -Conspiracy to commit above crimes. With all of that on them already, is there REALLY any need to tack on a conjured, artificial, ill-defined, highly-subject-to-political-abuse, and violative-of-the very-concept-of-justice-and-due-process-in-civilized-nations "new or extra crime" on top of that all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 5, 2019 Share Posted May 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Patine said: Here is a list, by the standard criminal codes of most Western, of the main crimes committed by the groups commonly labelled "terrorist groups" today. -First degree murder (often multiple counts per incident) -Destruction of public and private property -Illegally commandeering vehicles for criminal purposes -Kidnapping and hostage taking -Criminal trespass -Illegal possession of firearms (including military calibre) and ordinances -Illegally entering the nation where said incident takes place -Espousing the violent overthrow of, and advocating violent insurgency against, the nation where said incident takes place -Religious, ethnic, and gender-related (and, in at least one instance, sexual-orientation based) "hate" crime motivation -Criminal fundraising -Extortion, blackmail, and making threats of death and destruction -Forced slavery and slave-trade -Conspiracy to commit above crimes. With all of that on them already, is there REALLY any need to tack on a conjured, artificial, ill-defined, highly-subject-to-political-abuse, and violative-of-the very-concept-of-justice-and-due-process-in-civilized-nations "new or extra crime" on top of that all? Your rebuttal is, @NYrepublican? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 17 minutes ago, Patine said: Your rebuttal is, @NYrepublican? How does conspiracy not fall into the "conjured, artificial, ill-defined, highly-subject-to-political-abuse, and violative-of-the very-concept-of-justice-and-due-process-in-civilized-nations" category? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 6, 2019 Share Posted May 6, 2019 13 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: How does conspiracy not fall into the "conjured, artificial, ill-defined, highly-subject-to-political-abuse, and violative-of-the very-concept-of-justice-and-due-process-in-civilized-nations" category? Conspiracy to commit murder (i.e., ordering a "hit" or "death contract" on someone) is a high criminal offense in most Anglosphere Common Law nations. Time to brush up on your standard, common-usage criminal law, instead of believing extra-ordinary, extra-judicial, rights-violating, due-process ignoring legal mechanisms are EVER justified by a civilized nation respecting the concepts of law and order, due process, the rights of human beings, and their own constitutional laws and do not instead make criminals of said government officials, themselves, instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 @NYrepublican, I await an answer as to why the tool of tyranny and object of oppression to violate utterly due process and upend justice itself to fight groups with an artificial politicized label of "terrorist", that many Western and a couple Israeli government agencies and a number of Western-supported foreign militias live up to vague definition of anyways, and a label that could can so easily be picked up and used against legal, peaceful political opponents in the future, by definition, is needed or should even be further tolerated of these governments by their own people. I'd like to hear it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 minute ago, Patine said: @NYrepublican, I await an answer as to why the tool of tyranny and object of oppression to violate utterly due process and upend justice itself to fight groups with an artificial politicized label of "terrorist", that many Western and a couple Israeli government agencies and a number of Western-supported foreign militias live up to vague definition of anyways, and a label that could can so easily be picked up and used against legal, peaceful political opponents in the future, by definition, is needed or should even be further tolerated of these governments by their own people. I'd like to hear it! It is used to designate and out-group of people against our values like Freedom of speech which is slowly being abolished being people are too sensitive. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/10/its-not-free-speech-criticize-muhammad-echr-ruled/574174/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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