2020 Election Issues Poll

[Reagan04 658]

4 minutes ago, Patine said:

Who, who, and whom?

lol, American Left-Wing internet show hosts who I find to be on the caliber of nuttiness of Alex Jones except proposing the Radically Left Wing solution as opposed to the Radically Right Wing one.

[Patine 468]

Just now, Reagan04 said:

lol, American Left-Wing internet show hosts who I find to be on the caliber of nuttiness of Alex Jones except proposing the Radically Left Wing solution as opposed to the Radically Right Wing one.

All American extremists are nutty. The U.S. needs more Bidens, Warners, Kasiches, Bloombergs, De La Fuantes, and even Romneys (before his 2012 flip-flopping) to be honest - though I expect, and am braced for, significant disagreement.

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

9 minutes ago, Patine said:

All American extremists are nutty. The U.S. needs more Bidens, Warners, Kasiches, Bloombergs, De La Fuantes, and even Romneys (before his 2012 flip-flopping) to be honest - though I expect, and am braced for, significant disagreement.

Sure i'd agree with all of those except Warren and De La Fuentes. Warren is pathetic and Fuente is a wannabe

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

14 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

lol, American Left-Wing internet show hosts who I find to be on the caliber of nuttiness of Alex Jones except proposing the Radically Left Wing solution as opposed to the Radically Right Wing one.

Alex Jones isn't even necessarily right-wing though. Pro-Trump but that doesn't make him right-wing.

[Reagan04 658]

4 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Alex Jones isn't even necessarily right-wing though. Pro-Trump but that doesn't make him right-wing.

Stick with it for the analogy. He is certainly on the Right politically. Also, that Trump picture REALLY makes him look like David Duke, especially portrayed by Topher Grace.

[Patine 468]

1 minute ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Sure i'd agree with all of those except Warren and De La Fuentes. Warren is pathetic and Fuente is a wannabe

Warren? I didn't say Warren. I said Warner. As in the moderate, centrist former Democratic Governor of Virginia.

[Reagan04 658]

4 minutes ago, Patine said:

Warren? I didn't say Warren. I said Warner. As in the moderate, centrist former Democratic Governor of Virginia.

And more importantly, sitting Senior Senator from Virginia and Ranking Member of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

[ThePotatoWalrus 471]

1 minute ago, Patine said:

Warren? I didn't say Warren. I said Warner. As in the moderate, centrist former Democratic Governor of Virginia.

Ah I misread it. Only have one contact in.

[vcczar 1,224]

2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

If we're doing show hosts, ones that are uncivil, Cenk Uygur, David Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, pretty much anyone at TYT. 

I don't think they're as far-left as Jones is far-right. They're at least somewhat contained by the establishment. I don't think there is anyone as far out as Jones. Maybe Avenatti if he had Sanders's politics.

[Ido 0]

maybe you could add Alex Jones as a Republican candidate in the 2020 scenario since you added really farfetched candidates like Kander

[IonicAmalgam 0]

Musk would have big ideas and trust experts (the engineers) to find solutions and fix things. As a centrist and Technocrat/Meritocracy believer, I'd vote for him. Cause experts != politicians, and we've had enough incompetent politicians running things from both parties. I really think both parties are incompetent on almost all of the issues, although republicans slightly more so on some of the issues.

Top Issues for Me:

1) Structural - Government Competency (Corruption, Incompetent Government Services/Employees, Partisanship, Lack of Trust in Government, Voters Without Education/Time to Vet Candidates)
2) Structural - Long Term Economic (Debt, Loss of Reserve Currency, Robot Industrial Revolution, Inequality, Changing Climate)
3) Structural - Long Term Demographic (Education, Healthcare, Incarceration)

Reason for issue priority:
1) Without a competent government you cannot fix other issues.
2) Long term economic structural problems is not being paid proper attention by politicians who focus on social or identity issues. This will cause severe problems down the line, if not resolved I will be fleeing the USA by 2040 as we will see a Greece like collapse with a potential for hyperinflation. I believe 2020 is the last realistic date for structural reforms to be taken while minimizing pain involved for all parties. Social issues can be litigated anytime.
3) Number 3 prevents issues like number 1 from being resolved.

[Conservative Elector 2 333]

11 hours ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

@Conservative Elector 2, would you really want Alex Jones as President over Obama, or even Musk (business experience)?

My idea behind this decision was that a Republican congress could best handle him. I am not in any way supportive of his conspiracy theories... Besides that I do not know much of him. 

Elon Musk, running as Republican would be a lot better though.

[IonicAmalgam 0]

I would be in favor of a constitutional amendment that allows US citizens not born in the US to run for presidency if they have spent the majority of their life in the US. Eg I've been in the US since I was 3 and am not eligible, while my little brother who left the US when 3 (and grew up overseas) is.

Musk could always run through a proxy candidate. Others have done so in other countries before when they weren't legally allowed to run.

[Patine 468]

25 minutes ago, IonicAmalgam said:

I would be in favor of a constitutional amendment that allows US citizens not born in the US to run for presidency if they have spent the majority of their life in the US. Eg I've been in the US since I was 3 and am not eligible, while my little brother who left the US when 3 (and grew up overseas) is.

Musk could always run through a proxy candidate. Others have done so in other countries before when they weren't legally allowed to run.

Yes, it has been done, often leading to the proxy and their promoter ending up, in the end, being hated and despised by a large portion of the nation's population, insurgencies, revolutions, and coups occurring, and them being vilified in the nation's later history forever after, as is often historically the case - as an older Chilean-born man in my building speaks of Pinochet, the Butcher of Chile on the U.S. and U.K.'s payrolls - but, yes, it does occur, from time to time.

[Sunnymentoaddict 39]

14 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

If we're doing show hosts, ones that are uncivil, Cenk Uygur, David Pakman, Kyle Kulinski, pretty much anyone at TYT. 

I wouldn't say David Pakman is as bad as Cenk or TYT. Granted you're a conservative, so anyone that openly identify as democratic socialist is going to be a hard sell on why they are "not nutty'. That said, Pakman can have moments where I listen to roughly 10 minutes of the podcast and I'll get a feel if this will be a bad episode- in regards to content quality. 

But god, the fact that the TYT have such a large following on youtube has always baffled me. I mean the founder of it, Cenk, spent almost a majority of his adult life denying that the Armenian Genocide; and is yet considered to be a major voice of the progressive movement!
 

[Sunnymentoaddict 39]

12 hours ago, vcczar said:

I don't think they're as far-left as Jones is far-right. They're at least somewhat contained by the establishment. I don't think there is anyone as far out as Jones. Maybe Avenatti if he had Sanders's politics.

Yeah, the furthest left I can think of is ChapoTrapHouse, the Jacobin magazine. But they're not entirely 'conspiracy theories' outright, just a Marxist/leftist view of the current political environment. The closest left-wing conspiracy theorist I can think of is Louise Mensch.

[Reagan04 658]

5 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

I wouldn't say David Pakman is as bad as Cenk or TYT. Granted you're a conservative, so anyone that openly identify as democratic socialist is going to be a hard sell on why they are "not nutty'. That said, Pakman can have moments where I listen to roughly 10 minutes of the podcast and I'll get a feel if this will be a bad episode- in regards to content quality. 

But god, the fact that the TYT have such a large following on youtube has always baffled me. I mean the founder of it, Cenk, spent almost a majority of his adult life denying that the Armenian Genocide; and is yet considered to be a major voice of the progressive movement!
 

Did I include, David Pakman, I meant to remove him lol. While I view him as politically nutty, he's not downright nutty like the others. His name was a placeholder for Kyle Kulinski's because I had confused the two for a moment.