Patine Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 13 hours ago, NYrepublican said: I just checked every single pixel to get rid of it. This took hours. Here you go uk_victorian.bmp You've got the awkward issue that Leinster, Munster, and Connaught Provinces are fully divided into component counties, but Ulster Province is a single regional bloc. It just looks kind of weird that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, Patine said: You've got the awkward issue that Leinster, Munster, and Connaught Provinces are fully divided into component counties, but Ulster Province is a single regional bloc. It just looks kind of weird that way. It's what the map had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Just now, NYrepublican said: It's what the map had. Actually, the original map had the four Irish provinces as solid units, and the Irish counties "erased" (probably because the designer changed his mind), but the white-coloured (not true black solid borders) was still left behind, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Just now, Patine said: Actually, the original map had the four Irish provinces as solid units, and the Irish counties "erased" (probably because the designer changed his mind), but the white-coloured (not true black solid borders) was still left behind, to be honest. I just spliced it up that way because I assumed it was just a quick fix by the author. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 Just now, NYrepublican said: I just spliced it up that way because I assumed it was just a quick fix by the author. No, I think it was more of a change of mind midway through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 3 hours ago, NYrepublican said: What do you intend to do for the two member seats? I don't think I'm going to break these seats up unless I have to. I can't believe such a small country has this many unique districts. I'm probably going to need to redraw some of the districts on the map. @Patine mentioned the Irish provinces, for instance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, vcczar said: I don't think I'm going to break these seats up unless I have to. I can't believe such a small country has this many unique districts. I'm probably going to need to redraw some of the districts on the map. @Patine mentioned the Irish provinces, for instance. The four provinces should be sufficient subdivision enough. Ironically, Ulster Province (the one not subdivided into counties on this map) has far more internal divergence in political opinion and ideology than the other three. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 8, 2018 Author Share Posted August 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Patine said: The four provinces should be sufficient subdivision enough. Ironically, Ulster Province (the one not subdivided into counties on this map) has far more internal divergence in political opinion and ideology than the other three. Yeah, I'm not really sure how I should make the subdivisions for 1874. I am currently using the subdivisions on that map + Munster, Leinster, Ulster, and whatever the other one is (forgot off the top of my head). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 Update: MP seats A through E have been completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, vcczar said: Update: MP seats A through E have been completed. Yes, full-out British general elections can be quite the slog when it comes to constituencies. So can Canadian ones for that matter. One thing, though, I find is that British and Canadian constituencies have much more evocative names based on local towns, cities, districts, and geographical features, so it's far easier to figure out where they're located or centred within the country in contrast to the mechanistic numbered U.S. House of Representatives electoral districts, where if you're not already familiar with their layout, in their current apportionment, all you actually know for sure is what state they're in, but no intrinsic indicator where they are or are centred otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Patine said: Yes, full-out British general elections can be quite the slog when it comes to constituencies. So can Canadian ones for that matter. One thing, though, I find is that British and Canadian constituencies have much more evocative names based on local towns, cities, districts, and geographical features, so it's far easier to figure out where they're located or centred within the country in contrast to the mechanistic numbered U.S. House of Representatives electoral districts, where if you're not already familiar with their layout, in their current apportionment, all you actually know for sure is what state they're in, but no intrinsic indicator where they are or are centred otherwise. Yeah, I wish our districts had names. My current district would probably be called "Philadelphia North West." My Austin Rep was so insanely gerrymandered. I was 10 blocks from downtown Austin (most liberal city in Texas) and I had a Republican congress person. His district stretched from Fort Worth to Austin, and it was about 99.9% rural, but somehow he was my Rep. Didn't represent me at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 10, 2018 Share Posted August 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, vcczar said: Yeah, I wish our districts had names. My current district would probably be called "Philadelphia North West." My Austin Rep was so insanely gerrymandered. I was 10 blocks from downtown Austin (most liberal city in Texas) and I had a Republican congress person. His district stretched from Fort Worth to Austin, and it was about 99.9% rural, but somehow he was my Rep. Didn't represent me at all. In New York it's a little more sane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Update: Seats starting with A through F have now been completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 10, 2018 Author Share Posted August 10, 2018 Update: Seat starting with A through I have now been completed. I'm still less than half way but making progress. It seems like the seats didn't change much in the Victorian Age prior to 1885. This means I may be able to make PMI elections for c. 1830s to 1885 without too much difficulty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Update: Seats starting with A through L are complete. About halfway there with the seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted August 12, 2018 Share Posted August 12, 2018 2 hours ago, vcczar said: Update: Seats starting with A through L are complete. About halfway there with the seats. Grinding work like in a Dickensian workhouse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, Patine said: Grinding work like in a Dickensian workhouse... Sure is. It isn't too terrible because I do find learning about the various sections of the British Isles somewhat interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 12, 2018 Author Share Posted August 12, 2018 Update: Seat beginning with A through Q are done. S and W are rather large, and compose almost all of the rest of the seats. Hopefully, I'll finish all the seats by Wednesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Update: Seats A through T are done. Just have W and Y left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Update: Okay, I shifted some projects around, and I was able to finish all the seats of Parliament for 1874. There are also about 30 total endorsers from these MPs. May look for other endorsers later. I have also reduced the political parties to the 4 parties that fielded candidates: Liberals, Conservatives, Home Rule, and Independents. I'll make the candidates tomorrow (most likely) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 Update: Made the candidates. I also had to remake the map divisions--took me like 2 hours--and it isn't showing up properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, vcczar said: Update: Made the candidates. I also had to remake the map divisions--took me like 2 hours--and it isn't showing up properly. Send me the map and I'll fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, NYrepublican said: Send me the map and I'll fix it. Thanks. Basically, the water doesn't look like a grid. uk_victorian_update.bmp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patine Posted August 13, 2018 Share Posted August 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, vcczar said: Thanks. Basically, the water doesn't look like a grid. uk_victorian_update.bmp The problem is, given how all the seats aligned back then, I don't think the modern UK game divisions (or something based closely on it like this) will work quite well. For instance, the London Metropolis was horribly underrepresented in Parliament in 1874 compared to today, as were the Greater Manchester and Birmingham and Coventry areas. Also, is that red colour supposed to be the Liberals out of curiosity? The Liberal party colour is yellow, I believe, like the Lib Dems still use today. Just some pointers off the top of my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcczar Posted August 13, 2018 Author Share Posted August 13, 2018 32 minutes ago, Patine said: The problem is, given how all the seats aligned back then, I don't think the modern UK game divisions (or something based closely on it like this) will work quite well. For instance, the London Metropolis was horribly underrepresented in Parliament in 1874 compared to today, as were the Greater Manchester and Birmingham and Coventry areas. Also, is that red colour supposed to be the Liberals out of curiosity? The Liberal party colour is yellow, I believe, like the Lib Dems still use today. Just some pointers off the top of my head. I haven't altered the colors. I'm just trying to get the map to work. I'm going to rename the divisions, but I won't change the lines. That time investment would take me months and will have to be done by someone else. The main issue is that I created the seats before I tried to apply the map. I'd have to redo all of the seats, since they're subsets of the divisions, and I can't just move them. Thus, I'm stuck using 2017 divisions, which I had to redraw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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