Ranking the Potential Democratic Candidates

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On 7/14/2018 at 6:18 AM, RFK/JFKfan said:

Being a 70-something today is roughly equivalent to being a 40-/50-something in the time of Abraham Lincoln (who was 56 when he first took office). Putting aside age, however, many of the greatest presidents suffered from numerous health issues during their presidencies - FDR, Lincoln, JFK, Reagan, Eisenhower, to name the more obvious examples, and they encompass a fairly wide range of ages. Unless someone wishes to correct me, the likes of Buchanan, Pierce, W. Bush (also a fairly wide range of ages) etc had relatively smooth states of health during their times in office. 

As I said in another thread, political nous is the most important factor in a successful candidate, and probably also in a successful politician. Experience/location/age/ideology/health/position/ pale in comparison. 

No, it's really not.  There are many age specific problems that don't affect people in their 40's and 50's, regardless of era.  Nobody worried that FDR was senile or that Lincoln would break a hip from osteoporosis.  People in their 70's and older are far more prone to cognition problems than those in their 50's.

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5 hours ago, NYrepublican said:

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On ‎7‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 4:17 PM, admin_270 said:

Most politicians obviously are shape-shifting reptilians ... no clandestine replacement required.

Does this mean the next update will include the Reptilian option when choosing your custom candidates gender? 

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2 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Does this mean the next update will include the Reptilian option when choosing your custom candidates gender? 

Hmmmm ...

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3 hours ago, Sunnymentoaddict said:

Does this mean the next update will include the Reptilian option when choosing your custom candidates gender? 

 

32 minutes ago, admin_270 said:

Hmmmm ...

Reptiles have definite male and female genders, though in certain species of snakes, an odd form of transgenderism/transvestitism, of sorts, exists, in a weird sort of way...

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On 7/16/2018 at 12:55 PM, pilight said:

No, it's really not.  There are many age specific problems that don't affect people in their 40's and 50's, regardless of era.  Nobody worried that FDR was senile or that Lincoln would break a hip from osteoporosis.  People in their 70's and older are far more prone to cognition problems than those in their 50's.

Except of course that life expectancy was 20 years or more lower in nineteenth century USA than it is now. Higher infant mortality rates do make the statistics on this somewhat misleading, but nonetheless, fifteen presidents have passed away prior to reaching the age of 70 without the assistance of an assassin's bullet. Of these, fourteen (or thirteen if you discount Theodore Roosevelt, who did suffer at the hands of a gunman several years prior to his death) were born prior to 1900. 

Eleven presidents have reached the age of 80. This list is much more mixed, as it includes H. W. Bush, Carter, Ford, Reagan and Nixon, but it also includes both of the Adams presidents, Jefferson, and Madison. Most of the early presidents, however, hardly came from the most humble of backgrounds. 

On the point about Lincoln and FDR, people didn't worry about their health for similar reasons as to why people didn't question the sexual orientation of James Buchanan, or the faithfulness of Warren Harding to his wife; it simply wasn't something that people either had much information on nor cared about, as the media wasn't as tabloidised as it is now. 

As for cognition problems, here is an interesting article on dementia in the nineteenth century: http://www.dementiatoday.net/article/dementia-during-the-nineteenth-century/

A key paragraph: 

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Together with his student Georget, Esquirol supported a ‘descriptivist’ approach, at least in relation to some forms of mental disorder. He reported 15 cases of dementia (seven males and eight females) with a mean age of 34 years (SD = 10.9), seven being, in fact, cases of general paralysis of the insane, showing grandiosity, disinhibition, motor symptoms, dysarthria and terminal cognitive failure.

This is qualified somewhat by a later paragraph, which states that selection bias may have played somewhat of a role, but it's probably the case that concerns over mental health were not as dominated by age th as they are now. 

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6 minutes ago, RFK/JFKfan said:

Except of course that life expectancy was 20 years or more lower in nineteenth century USA than it is now. Higher infant mortality rates do make the statistics on this somewhat misleading, but nonetheless, fifteen presidents have passed away prior to reaching the age of 70 without the assistance of an assassin's bullet. Of these, fourteen (or thirteen if you discount Theodore Roosevelt, who did suffer at the hands of a gunman several years prior to his death) were born prior to 1900. 

To be pedantic, there's a fairly large school of thought that believes that Zachary Taylor was actually the first assassinated U.S. President - by poison rather than gunshot, but it was unable to be proven then (there wasn't even significant suspicions at the time), and it's far too late to definitively prove it now, and, if it's true, the assassin, and whatever group they were working for or associated with, got away with it and good.

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2 minutes ago, Patine said:

To be pedantic, there's a fairly large school of thought that believes that Zachary Taylor was actually the first assassinated U.S. President - by poison rather than gunshot, but it was unable to be proven then (there wasn't even significant suspicions at the time), and it's far too late to definitively prove it now, and, if it's true, the assassin, and whatever group they were working for or associated with, got away with it and good.

Indeed, and Taylor's body was exhumed for the purposes of this theory. This was the inspiration for the Simpsons episode 'Lisa the Iconoclast'.