MBDemSoc 7 Posted May 22, 2018 Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 Thought I would give seeing what the community's opinion on what the personal attributes for Harold MacMillan would be a go as he is one of the only if not the only post-war PM not to be in a scenario. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MBDemSoc 7 Posted May 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2018 5 minutes ago, MBDemSoc said: Thought I would give seeing what the community's opinion on what the personal attributes for Harold MacMillan would be a go as he is one of the only if not the only post-war PM not to be in a scenario. Any thoughts at all would be helpful. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 468 Posted May 23, 2018 Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 1 hour ago, MBDemSoc said: Any thoughts at all would be helpful. Hard to say. Good footage of his speeches that give real insight into that are hard to find. Also, his record is quite mixed. Decolonization (with mixed ultimate results) and keeping Britain out of Vietnam versus his infamous "ninja cabinet shuffle," among others. He seems confident and competent (in a seasoned bureaucrat sort of way), but not very charismatic. I don't know if these observations help at all... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MBDemSoc 7 Posted May 23, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2018 They do my friend, charisma was one of the things I was not too sure on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RFK/JFKfan 11 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 As far as post-war PMs go, I'd rate Macmillan above Attlee, Douglas-Home, Heath, Major, Brown and May in charisma terms. In many ways he is quite similar to Cameron - from a well-to-do background, on the centre-left of the Conservative Party and managed to lead the party to a net increase in seats as the governing party. Both were also succeeded by vastly inferior media performers (Douglas-Home in Macmillan's case and May in Cameron's case). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 468 Posted May 25, 2018 Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 2 hours ago, RFK/JFKfan said: As far as post-war PMs go, I'd rate Macmillan above Attlee, Douglas-Home, Heath, Major, Brown and May in charisma terms. In many ways he is quite similar to Cameron - from a well-to-do background, on the centre-left of the Conservative Party and managed to lead the party to a net increase in seats as the governing party. Both were also succeeded by vastly inferior media performers (Douglas-Home in Macmillan's case and May in Cameron's case). Assuming that WW2-era Churchill was a 5, what number would you give Macmillan personally? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MBDemSoc 7 Posted May 25, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2018 42 minutes ago, Patine said: Assuming that WW2-era Churchill was a 5, what number would you give Macmillan personally? I've looked at the numbers for aforementioned PMs and they all have 2s or 3s so I assume it would have to be a 3 or a 4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RFK/JFKfan 11 Posted May 26, 2018 Report Share Posted May 26, 2018 14 hours ago, Patine said: Assuming that WW2-era Churchill was a 5, what number would you give Macmillan personally? My ratings for each would be: Churchill - 5 Attlee - 2 (perhaps 1.5 if possible) Eden - 3 Macmillan - 3 Douglas-Home - 1.5 Wilson 3.5/4 (certainly a 4 in 1964) Heath - 2.5/3 (hardly a charming personality but could speak passionately on his day) Callaghan - 3.5/4 (underrated in terms of his charisma; very avuncular but wasn't dealt a great hand as PM) Thatcher - 4 Major - 2/2.5 (slightly higher than one might expect due to his soapbox campaign of 1992; of course it all went downhill after that) Blair - 4 Brown - 2 (he can give an excellent speech when he wants to, hence he's not lower) Cameron - 3/3.5 May - 1.5 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 468 Posted May 27, 2018 Report Share Posted May 27, 2018 @MBDemSoc - So, are you actually planning, or even working on, one or more 1960's UK elections? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MBDemSoc 7 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Patine said: @MBDemSoc - So, are you actually planning, or even working on, one or more 1960's UK elections? I was actually thinking of doing an "all-star" scenario first with past PMs in it so I can use the stats from that scenario for other UK Scenarios I plan on creating. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MBDemSoc 7 Posted May 28, 2018 Author Report Share Posted May 28, 2018 Made some attributes for "Super-Mac" based on some research - Leadership: 3. Experience: 4 or 5. Integrity: 2 or 3. Issue Familiarity: 2 or 3. Charisma: 3 or 4. Stamina: 3. Debating: 3. Ideologue: 2 or 3. Ambition: 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LegolasRedbard 4 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 On 5/27/2018 at 9:48 PM, Patine said: @MBDemSoc - So, are you actually planning, or even working on, one or more 1960's UK elections? Personally, I'd like to see the 1974 elections, as I've been watching A Very English Scandal recently, and I now feel the urge to play as Jeremy Thorpe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 468 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, LegolasRedbard said: Personally, I'd like to see the 1974 elections, as I've been watching A Very English Scandal recently, and I now feel the urge to play as Jeremy Thorpe The October 1974 election (but not the February one) has a scenario by the old poster on these forums @EGaffney for PM4E, though not PMI. I could send you a copy if you believe you can do anything with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LegolasRedbard 4 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, Patine said: The October 1974 election (but not the February one) has a scenario by the old poster on these forums @EGaffney for PM4E, though not PMI. I could send you a copy if you believe you can do anything with it. That would be great! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Patine 468 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 1 minute ago, LegolasRedbard said: That would be great! Just PM me your email address (or an email address), and I'll send it along. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LegolasRedbard 4 Posted May 29, 2018 Report Share Posted May 29, 2018 25 minutes ago, Patine said: Just PM me your email address (or an email address), and I'll send it along. done! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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