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5 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

@vcczar Am I allowed to make moves on the side of the Confederacy? Or is this all WV's thing?

OCC: No this is an RP only from America's perspective. To run a two-nation RP would be too confusing, cluttery, and too much of an investment in time. The South, even if it won, would likely be a failed state. Egyptian cotton was superior and the Egyptian cut a deal with Europe to make it more affordable to get it. The Social Class system in the South wouldn't have lasted. They hadn't the money to modernize their country. With the North having abolished slavery, the South would have been a pariah to work with diplomatically (a kinda North Korea of their day). On top of this, the Confederacy may not have evolved to centralize, creating a fragmented or decentralized quasi-feudalistic nation that couldn't compete with the times. The majority of the population couldn't read. Their industry and production was not diverse. The South won by losing, strangely enough. 

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1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Initial War Phase 1861 (numbers will be the die roll; 1 is very bad and 6 is very good)

Atlantic Naval (1):  We get off to a very rocky start implementing the blockade. Some how the patchwork Confederate navy sinks a ship. A hurricane comes through causing damage to a few others. We are unable to protect any of the forts. In 1861, we are unable to accomplish any of the below that require this phase to work. 

Gulf Naval (6): The blockade is firmly entrenched. We clear out the entire Confederate Navy in this area, and secure every coastal fort. 

Invasion of MS (5): The army from Louisiana and Texas score a major victory at Vicksburg, following a successful siege, closing off trade through the Mississippi. On to Jackson, MS. 

Landing at Mobile, AL (1): We land at Mobile, but the expedition force is obliterated. We can either try again, or we can opt not to invade here. 

Landing at FL: "See Atlantic Naval"

Landing at: Charleston: "See Atlantic Naval"

Landing at Virginia: "See Atlantic Naval"

Invasion of DE and MD (4): We get off to a good start, scoring a major victory in DE, and capturing the state. We defeat a force in Maryland, and the South is preparing for a siege in Baltimore. 

Invasion of KY (3): We have traded victories and defeats in KY.

Invasion of KS and MO (1): The invasion of KS and MO has been a disaster, and an entire brigade has been captured. We fear an invasion of Illinois. 

Following these results, Mexico has been training troops. Britain has made no moves. France has been training troops, but not to the level of Mexico.

Reinforce the Atlantic blockade. Opt not to invade Mobile instead reinforcing Illinois. 

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7 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

Reinforce the Atlantic blockade. Opt not to invade Mobile instead reinforcing Illinois

1862 Military Phase - die roll in parenthesis 

Atlantic blockade (1): Blockade is still unable to operate competently; although, they've placed some ships. Mines have destroyed some ships, the CSA navy has been effective; and another hurricane hit. The Gulf blockade is unable to reinforce the Atlantic blockade as the South is increasing efforts to break the blockade.

Invasion of MS (4): Jackson, MS is captured, along with the rest of MS. Generals want to know whether to march for AL or TN. 

Landing at FL, SC, VA: *See Atlantic Blockade*  Florida falls to the Confederate forces. 

Invasion of MD (4): Baltimore falls, and the troops occupy MD. On to Virginia! 

Invasion of KY (3); Battles in KY are still inconclusive. 

Invasion of KS and MO (1): It's as we feared, the South has defeated our troops and are invading Illinois enroute to Chicago. The Illinois governor has increased the number of the militia. A defeat at Chicago could see Confederate recognition. 

Meanwhile, Mexico, while not officially recognizing the South proclaims that the South should be allowed to be free. Great Britain's government changes hands, but the government says they will only aid the South if slavery is abolished. France has made it known that it will recognize the South if the South scores a major victory in the North. 

 

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3 hours ago, vcczar said:

Invasion of KS and MO (1): It's as we feared, the South has defeated our troops and are invading Illinois enroute to Chicago. The Illinois governor has increased the number of the militia. A defeat at Chicago could see Confederate recognition. 

Order all troops in the great lakes area to defend Chicago at all costs.

4 hours ago, vcczar said:

Invasion of MS (4): Jackson, MS is captured, along with the rest of MS. Generals want to know whether to march for AL or TN. 

Move to take Tennessee in an attempt to cut off the Illinois force.

4 hours ago, vcczar said:

Atlantic blockade (1): Blockade is still unable to operate competently; although, they've placed some ships. Mines have destroyed some ships, the CSA navy has been effective; and another hurricane hit. The Gulf blockade is unable to reinforce the Atlantic blockade as the South is increasing efforts to break the blockade.

Re-organize the remaining ships, and reinforce if possible.

4 hours ago, vcczar said:

Invasion of KY (3); Battles in KY are still inconclusive. 

Reinforce this front if practicable.

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14 hours ago, WVProgressive said:

Order all troops in the great lakes area to defend Chicago at all costs.

Move to take Tennessee in an attempt to cut off the Illinois force.

Re-organize the remaining ships, and reinforce if possible.

Reinforce this front if practicable.

1863 Phase:

Atlantic Blockade (3): The blockade is finally complete. However, resources cannot be used to complete the amphibious landings

Invasion of TN (4): The force marches from AL, defeating an army at the TN border before entangling itself with another force near Nashville. 

Invasion of VA (2): Our army is defeated in several battles in Northern Virginia. There is some fear of a Northern Invasion, but more likely this army will need to help reinforce TN. 

Invasion of KY (4): This army is forced to disengage to reinforce Chicago, which is under siege. 

Defense of Chicago (2): The force defending Chicago is thrown into the city. They are now defending in a siege. 

On the upside, the Confederate economy is collapsing thanks to the blockade. 

Napoleon III if France declares that France recognizes he South as a belligerent, and will await a result at Chicago to make an official recognition. Meanwhile, Mexico sends a diplomat to DC with terms. They will not join the war if 1) they are guaranteed that Mexico will not be invaded by the US for a period of 25 years. 2) that a reciprocal trade treaty is signed. Great Britain also sends a diplomat, asking for the following. 1) GB will offer to aid the US if France declares war on the US. 2) US will drop it’s tariff on goods from GB. 

In domestic politics: The Liberty Party takes control of both Houses of Congress and the most of the Governorships. The Republican Party and the States Rights Party have folded. The American Progress Party is basically non-existent, with a few politicians in IA, and IN. Federalists are the major rival party. We have now reverted back to a 2-party state (for now) @CalebsParadox @Kingthero @Reagan04 @Rodja  @WVProgressive @Hestia11 @Conservative Elector 2

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@vcczar OOC: Are we allowed to found new parties? I think on something like the RL Northern Democrats and calling them simply Democratic Party like in RL.

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3 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

@vcczar OOC: Are we allowed to found new parties? I think on something like the RL Northern Democrats and calling them simply Democratic Party like in RL.

OOC: You certainly can, or you can take an existing party and try to change its trajectory. New Parties will be harder to form, unless there is a huge vacuum. The next vacuum will probably occur when/if the South is reintegrated. 

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John Wesley, fearing party collapse, brings forth a strong new idea

 

The American Progress Party has always been the party of unity and expansion. However, with our soon to be likely won war in the South, our brothers will be back inside the union. What we need to do as a nation is make sure that we do not let the south become crippled because northern ideals won. 

 

So what I propose is that we make sure that once the South is integrated back into the union, we must do our best as a nation to move forward with unity.

 

We should help repair damages done.

 

We should help their economy revive.

 

And finally, we shouldn't be prejudiced against them no more.

 

This idea will be called reconstruction, and it will be done with the utmost respect of every side.

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Former Governor Gloucester of North Carolina, opposed siding with the Confederates but is still very skeptical of our war. He stands for peace and negotiations in order to get unity again. He founds the Democratic Party, while already thinking on how to re-admit the rebellious states into the Union again. The party aims to give conservatives in the country a voice again, because their leading personal blames extremists of both sides and former Presidents for the mess we are currently in. We spill American blood on American soil and that is inconceivable. The party is supported by former Arkansas Senator Richardson and Former Vice President Bigelow, already at age 103, who argue for the defending of the Democratic-Republican Party's legacy. It is still unclear if the party will field a candidate in the next election or if Gov. Gloucester? or any other conservative candidate will run for another party's nomination.

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1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Napoleon III if France declares that France recognizes he South as a belligerent, and will await a result at Chicago to make an official recognition. Meanwhile, Mexico sends a diplomat to DC with terms. They will not join the war if 1) they are guaranteed that Mexico will not be invaded by the US for a period of 25 years. 2) that a reciprocal trade treaty is signed. Great Britain also sends a diplomat, asking for the following. 1) GB will offer to aid the US if France declares war on the US. 2) US will drop it’s tariff on goods from GB. 

We agree to both offers

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Invasion of KY (4): This army is forced to disengage to reinforce Chicago, which is under siege. 

Defense of Chicago (2): The force defending Chicago is thrown into the city. They are now defending in a siege. 

Use our KY force to reinforce Chicago attempt to cut off the confederate supply if possible.

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Invasion of VA (2): Our army is defeated in several battles in Northern Virginia. There is some fear of a Northern Invasion, but more likely this army will need to help reinforce TN.

Reinforce this front if practicable.

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

Atlantic Blockade (3): The blockade is finally complete. However, resources cannot be used to complete the amphibious landings

Reinforce, but again only if practicable.

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

In domestic politics: The Liberty Party takes control of both Houses of Congress and the most of the Governorships. The Republican Party and the States Rights Party have folded. The American Progress Party is basically non-existent, with a few politicians in IA, and IN. Federalists are the major rival party. We have now reverted back to a 2-party state (for now)

Use the Liberty Parties success to push through more support for the war. 

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1 minute ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

Former Governor Gloucester of North Carolina, opposed siding with the Confederates but is still very skeptical of our war. He stands for peace and negotiations in order to get unity again. He founds the Democratic Party, while already thinking on how to re-admit the rebellious states into the Union again. The party aims to give conservatives in the country a voice again, because their leading personal blames extremists of both sides and former Presidents for the mess we are currently in. We spill American blood on American soil and that is inconceivable. The party is supported by former Arkansas Senator Richardson and Former Vice President Bigelow, already at age 103, who argue for the defending of the Democratic-Republican Party's legacy. It is still unclear if the party will field a candidate in the next election or if Gov. Gloucester? or any other conservative candidate will run for another party's nation.

Is this an opposition party in the south because NC seceded.

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1 minute ago, WVProgressive said:

Is this an opposition party in the south because NC seceded.

No, Governor Gloucester remained loyal to the Union. He just holds no office anymore, due to our war.

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Senator Yedver announces his joining of the Democratic Party

OOC: Thanks, but I thought your character supported secession, didn't he?

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2 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

OOC: Thanks, but I thought your character supported secession, didn't he?

No, he was skeptical of secession, but supported Virginia choosing its own course.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

No, he was skeptical of secession, but supported Virginia choosing its own course.

Thanks for the explanation. 

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Governor Gloucester was asked by a reporter of the Chicago Tribune why he did that move: "I simply do not think, that both the Liberal and the Federalist Party are able to give Conservatives a new home, after the war ends. Both parties are highly responsible for our nation falling apart. If the people had elected another true conservative after President Aldridge our nation would already be at the top of the world's economy and most importantly we would still live in peace and prosperity. The Republicans were a highly respectable party, which had the interests of all Americans always at their hearts. I also blame the people who ran the States' Rights Party. Those were no true conservatives, they just wanted to push their agenda which has proven to be hostile to our nation's core principals. Extremists of those parties teared our country apart and as a person loyal to this union, I think it is my duty to do something to preserve it after our brother found home again. I don't see a future for this parties, because I believe the people will find out who was truly responsible for this war, which damaged our nation's reputation. I am here to repair it and I ask people who are willing to rebuild our country to join our movement. Thank you and God bless you."

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18 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

No, Governor Gloucester remained loyal to the Union. He just holds no office anymore, due to our war.

So what will his state of residence be in the next election (assuming he runs)?

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10 minutes ago, WVProgressive said:

So what will his state of residence be in the next election (assuming he runs)?

That is actually a very interesting question and I am wondering what would have happened to Southern loyalists in RL, if they had run for office. 

A possibility would be to settle in West Virginia, I assume that all other southern states including Missouri and Kentucky have joined the Confederacy.

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1 minute ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

That is actually a very interesting question and I am wondering what would have happened to Southern loyalists in RL, if they had run for office. 

A possibility would be to settle in West Virginia, I assume that all other southern states including Missouri and Kentucky have joined the Confederacy.

@vcczar What did you put Andrew Johnson's state of residence as in your 1864 scenario? Just a thought to help nudge to an answer here, even though I'm not actually playing this RP.

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6 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

That is actually a very interesting question and I am wondering what would have happened to Southern loyalists in RL, if they had run for office. 

A possibility would be to settle in West Virginia, I assume that all other southern states including Missouri and Kentucky have joined the Confederacy.

OOC: In this historical alternative, every slave state joined the South---DE, KY, MD, MO. 

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3 minutes ago, Patine said:

@vcczar What did you put Andrew Johnson's state of residence as in your 1864 scenario? Just a thought to help nudge to an answer here, even though I'm not actually playing this RP.

Good question. I don't even remember. 

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1 hour ago, WVProgressive said:

We agree to both offers

Use our KY force to reinforce Chicago attempt to cut off the confederate supply if possible.

Reinforce this front if practicable.

Reinforce, but again only if practicable.

Use the Liberty Parties success to push through more support for the war. 

1864 Phase: Die roll in parenthesis

2nd Invasion of VA (5): The Southern army sends one corps to reinforce TN, expecting us to not launch another invasion. We do invade, crushing the Rebel army in the first battle, and throwing them back to Richmond, which is now under siege by our forces. 

Defense of Chicago (4): The near starving people and military in Chicago are able to hold out, as the Rebel Army withdraws once the US army arrives from KY. Fearing their line of communication would be cut. They put a defensive line in Southern IL. 

Invasion of TN (2): The reinforced rebel army in TN strikes a crushing victory to this army, which is then thrust back into AL. 

Internationally, Napoleon III of France calls on the South to Surrender, arguing that any chance for victory is now lost. To pressure such a surrender, he revokes any offer of aiding the South. Great Britain and Mexico encourage the South to abolish their slaves in hopes of maintaining their independence. However, the South won't do that. 

Southern diplomats take a long shot offering to end all hostilities if Slavery can still be preserved in the Southern states despite a Federal Law abolishing all slavery. You Sec of War states that we can expect victory next year, even if we ignore this unacceptable offer. 

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7 minutes ago, vcczar said:

2nd Invasion of VA (5): The Southern army sends one corps to reinforce TN, expecting us to not launch another invasion. We do invade, crushing the Rebel army in the first battle, and throwing them back to Richmond, which is now under siege by our forces. 

Reinforce this front, they'll surely try to push us away from one of their biggest cities. (by the way what's the Confederate capital in this timeline, or is it still Richmond)

10 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Defense of Chicago (4): The near starving people and military in Chicago are able to hold out, as the Rebel Army withdraws once the US army arrives from KY. Fearing their line of communication would be cut. They put a defensive line in Southern IL.

Combine the two forces and move to crush the Confederate line

12 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Invasion of TN (2): The reinforced rebel army in TN strikes a crushing victory to this army, which is then thrust back into AL. 

Use our navy to reinforce this front.

13 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Southern diplomats take a long shot offering to end all hostilities if Slavery can still be preserved in the Southern states despite a Federal Law abolishing all slavery. You Sec of War states that we can expect victory next year, even if we ignore this unacceptable offer. 

We refuse.

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