Anthem Protests

[Bruce Fischer 1]

Decided to do a poll after writing about this topic for my Sociology class yesterday, listening to Coloring Book until 3 this morning, going to sleep, and then waking up this morning to a hot mess, as has become routine in 2017

PLEASE KEEP THIS CIVIL.

I would love it if there were no comments on this and people just voted on the poll without starting a flame war on this thread.

*side-eyes certain people I'm sure will be extremely opinionated on this topic*

[Reagan04 658]

4 minutes ago, President Garrett Walker said:

 

*side-eyes certain people I'm sure will be extremely opinionated on this topic*

 

Hey man, I hate flamewars too

[Bruce Fischer 1]

3 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Hey man, I hate flamewars too

Not just you and people on the right. I'm not about to name names but there's a certain middle-aged Canadian government worker who might start stuff

I do want you guys's honest opinions but I also don't want WWIII, or this thread to be closed.

[European Qoheleth (SANC) 32]

I love the tags for this thread and the last option in the poll. 

[vcczar 1,224]

I like the poll, but the wording is so specific on the answers as to not really include an answer that is accurate to my response. 

1. I do think NFL players should have the liberty to espouse their political views, and they should not be removed from having those views unless it impacts the team's ability to win. 

2. I would probably watch NFL football regardless of the political implications. It's the only sport I keep up with. 

3. The president not only shouldn't be involved in this, I think his language is not presidential at all. I support the players and NFL owners that condemn Trump's response. 

[Patine 469]

1 hour ago, President Garrett Walker said:

Not just you and people on the right. I'm not about to name names but there's a certain middle-aged Canadian government worker who might start stuff

I do want you guys's honest opinions but I also don't want WWIII, or this thread to be closed.

I work for the Alberta Provincial Government, not the Canadian Federal Government. Like the U.S., we do have a federal, not unitary system of government relationship between national and regional governments.

Secondly, I have no interest in professional sports (but not for the deep-seated, envious, feelings of inaquedecy phyisically and financially listed in the the option above, just complete apathy), and I believe a national anthem is just a song arbritrarily chosen at some time by some government comemerating some event in a nation's history, and is not even nearly as symbolic as a flag, coat-of-arms or great seal, national animal, etc., so I'm more apathetic to that as well. Plus, it's a peaceful protest, invoking freedom of speech and conscience, and doesn't truly hurt anyone, so I have objections, but, on the other hand, I don't believe this protest, in and of itself, will do anything meaningful in combating racism in the U.S., to be honest.

[jvikings1 40]

The NFL is more than a sport.  It is a business.  People like Kaepernick leave a bad stigma for teams.  Right now, Sam Bradford is injured (week-to-week).  Even though he would probably be an upgrade, I don't want that trash on my team.  He has a right to protest, but teams have a right to say YOU ARE FIRED (or not signed)!  But, I hate how some things are classified as anthem protests when they aren't (Derrick Carr during one of the preseason games).

[pilight 237]

I'm not sure how you "disinvite" someone who has already said they're not going.

Trump can't make any reasonable argument against the protesters so he reacts with the same knee jerks as always: calling names and spewing vulgarities.

[Reagan04 658]

1 hour ago, Patine said:

I work for the Alberta Provincial Government, not the Canadian Federal Government. Like the U.S., we do have a federal, not unitary system of government relationship between national and regional governments.

Secondly, I have no interest in professional sports (but not for the deep-seated, envious, feelings of inaquedecy phyisically and financially listed in the the option above, just complete apathy), and I believe a national anthem is just a song arbritrarily chosen at some time by some government comemerating some event in a nation's history, and is not even nearly as symbolic as a flag, coat-of-arms or great seal, national animal, etc., so I'm more apathetic to that as well. Plus, it's a peaceful protest, invoking freedom of speech and conscience, and doesn't truly hurt anyone, so I have objections, but, on the other hand, I don't believe this protest, in and of itself, will do anything meaningful in combating racism in the U.S., to be honest.

Well, technically you do work for the Canadian Government, he never said Federal. Alberta is part of the Canadian Government and therefore so are its workers. Like the Governor of Kansas is a part of the American Government is, if not Federal.

[Rarename91 0]

3. I am ok with this because the president also got a right to free speech.

[Rarename91 0]

keep in mind the guy also did this on 9/11 too.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

keep in mind the guy also did this on 9/11 too.

Note:He means anniversary of 9/11 not on 9/11 itself

[Patine 469]

23 minutes ago, Presidentinsertname said:

3. I am ok with this because the president also got a right to free speech.

Yes, he called a group of "Alt-Right" Neo-Nazi White Supremecists who had engaged in violence in the protests "a fine bunch of people," but called some Black athletes making a PEACEFUL protest against racist sentiments "sons of bitches." He sounds like a more and more balanced, benevolent, servant of the people and for all of their good and well-being-type leader and all-in-all swell guy as each day goes by.

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, Patine said:

Yes, he called a group of "Alt-Right" Neo-Nazi White Supremecists who had engaged in violence in the protests "a fine bunch of people," but called some Black athletes making a PEACEFUL protest against racist sentiments "sons of bitches." He sounds like a more and more balanced, benevolent, servant of the people and for all of their good and well-being-type leader and all-in-all swell guy as each day goes by.

You do know Donald Trump is just talking right? It doesn't have to make sense (I'm not even sure if he's trying to make sense)

[victorraiders 0]

i say for guy with K in name go to cuba

[Patine 469]

15 minutes ago, victorraiders said:

i say for guy with start with K in name go to cuba

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean or refer to at all...

[pilight 237]

43 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

You do know Donald Trump is just talking right? It doesn't have to make sense (I'm not even sure if he's trying to make sense)

So what the president of the United States says is unimportant and should be ignored?

[Bruce Fischer 1]

1 hour ago, NYrepublican said:

You do know Donald Trump is just talking right? It doesn't have to make sense (I'm not even sure if he's trying to make sense)

"He doesn't have to make sense, he's just the most powerful human being on the face of the planet, who has the power to wipe billions of people off the face of planet Earth in the span of a few hours."

[Patine 469]

35 minutes ago, pilight said:

So what the president of the United States says is unimportant and should be ignored?

 

1 minute ago, President Garrett Walker said:

"He doesn't have to make sense, he's just the most powerful human being on the face of the planet, who has the power to wipe billions of people off the face of planet Earth in the span of a few hours."

Or perhaps @NYrepublican is implying Trump is actually senile and just gibbering nonsensically and a secret, shadowy eminence grese or sinister council or other "power behind the throne" figures who are not publically acknowledged are actually running the nation, which I'm not sure would actually be a more conforting thought...

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Patine said:

 

Or perhaps @NYrepublican is implying Trump is actually senile and just gibbering nonsensically and a secret, shadowy eminence grese or sinister council or other "power behind the throne" figures who are not publically acknowledged are actually running the nation, which I'm not sure would actually be a more conforting thought...

Only the first part here

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Patine said:

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean or refer to at all...

He means Kaepernick

[Patine 469]

4 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

He means Kaepernick

I don't understand how Cuba fits in...

[Guest]

Just now, Patine said:

I don't understand how Cuba fits in...

He's accusing him of being anti-American and Cuba is seen as the home of anti-American sentiment

[Patine 469]

7 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

He's accusing him of being anti-American and Cuba is seen as the home of anti-American sentiment

So, because he makes a peaceful protest (a right guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution), and targets a song not Constitutionally stated, protected, recognized, or mentioned (nor is any need or desire for a national anthem mentioned at all in the U.S. Constitution - unlike some countries which do state and protect their national anthems in their Constitutions) means he's "anti-American" (a very abused word in American political rhetoric, almost to the point of "counter-revolutionary" in the USSR and "anharmonius" in the PRC in rhetorical abuse if not objective consequences for being alleged as such) for doing so and should move to a nation far further removed from the values and far less protecting of the rights he was peacefully protesting for?

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Patine said:

So, because he makes a peaceful protest (a right guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution), and targets a song not Constitutionally stated, protected, recognized, or mentioned (nor is any need or desire for a national anthem mentioned at all in the U.S. Constitution - unlike some countries which do state and protect their national anthems in their Constitutions) means he's "anti-American" (a very abused word in American political rhetoric, almost to the point of "counter-revolutionary" in the USSR and "anharmonius" in the PRC in rhetorical abuse if not objective consequences for being alleged as such) for doing so and should move to a nation far further removed from the values and far less protecting of the rights he was peacefully protesting for?

Refer all questions to @victorraiders