1796 Election Update (Historical Scenario Commission

[vcczar 1,291]

I'll post the updates/improvements to the 1796 scenario here. 

The Historical Scenario Commission consists of @jvikings1 @CalebsParadox @Patine @Reagan04 @TheMiddlePolitical @SeanFKennedy @Conservative Elector 2 @Take Me to La Riva @vcczar @NYrepublican @MrPrez @msc123123, all of whom will help in improving historical presidential election at their leisure. We will go in chronological order. 

[Anyone wishing to join the HSC can do so by posting here, and can help by playing through the scenarios to find areas for improvement, providing advice for improvements, and for suggesting events, finding typos or other errors. Suggestions for historical newspapers (for interviews), events, surrogates, fixing inflationary index, etc. can also be helpful. ]

Updates will be edited in the list below as they are made. 

~~~~Updates to the scenario so far have been~~~~

• Experience reduced for some candidates by CalebsParadox
• Money coefficient set to 3 by Patine
• Very slight adjustments to candidate % by VCCzar
• Gameplay tested and okayed by ConservativeElector2, CalebsParadox, and JViking1
• Issue images added by NYRepublican
• Adjusted some endorsers support by VCCzar
• Events added by VCCZar
• Unique event for Washington if he is turned ON, in which he is talked out of retirement following his Farewell Address by VCCzar

[vcczar 1,291]

@Patine

I'm thinking I remember you said that this election's money coefficient should be the same as 1792. That is, a 3. 

[Patine 514]

Just now, vcczar said:

@Patine

I'm thinking I remember you said that this election's money coefficient should be the same as 1792. That is, a 3. 

Yes, that's correct.

[Guest]

you may want to add @victorraiders to the list @vcczar as he'll be making the betas which will be reviewed and edited for 1984,1988(an official version),1992,1996 and 2000.

[Guest]

also @vcczar I noticed in your 1788 scenario your "the states should surrender sovereignty to the state" under the States rights issue is really confusing.

[victorraiders 0]

39 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

you may want to add @victorraiders to the list @vcczar as he'll be making the betas which will be reviewed and edited for 1984,1988(an official version),1992,1996 and 2000.

seanfkennedy make 88 if he's like, i help with editing

[Herbert Hoover 199]

1796:
Jefferson's title is VP
Adam's Experience is at 4, but with many other candidates having a 4 it doesn't really reflect the experience he has being the VP.

Based on many simulations run and several playthroughs, Adams is weaker than Jefferson and Burr is a joke of a candidate. I would recommend potential buffs to each of them for the purpose of balance, as Jefferson wins the election in most runs I have had. However, I have noticed that Pinckney also works his way onto the ticket very often, and is actually pretty likely to win. He has the highest vote potential by a very large margin, and in 100 simulations he hit over 75 the most often. Jefferson seems locked at 78, and Adams at 72, while Pinckney scores all the way into the 90s during a good election. Burr is pathetic, and his average over 100 simulations was less than 20 EV, and he never once got even close to getting onto the ticket. Ellsworth and Samuel Adams can beat him out a lot of the time even. The highest EV total obtained by Burr in 100 simulations was 37, and he got 0 more often than he broke 30. In every single simulation, Adams got 72 or 61 while Jefferson got 67 or 78, meaning that Maryland was the deciding state every single election with an EV of 11. Jefferson begins with a lead in this state, but I would recommend giving Adams a lead as he would go on to receive the states votes. This would go a long way to making Adams win over Jefferson more than Jefferson wins over Adams. 

[vcczar 1,291]

9 hours ago, CalebsParadox said:

1796:
Jefferson's title is VP
Adam's Experience is at 4, but with many other candidates having a 4 it doesn't really reflect the experience he has being the VP.

Based on many simulations run and several playthroughs, Adams is weaker than Jefferson and Burr is a joke of a candidate. I would recommend potential buffs to each of them for the purpose of balance, as Jefferson wins the election in most runs I have had. However, I have noticed that Pinckney also works his way onto the ticket very often, and is actually pretty likely to win. He has the highest vote potential by a very large margin, and in 100 simulations he hit over 75 the most often. Jefferson seems locked at 78, and Adams at 72, while Pinckney scores all the way into the 90s during a good election. Burr is pathetic, and his average over 100 simulations was less than 20 EV, and he never once got even close to getting onto the ticket. Ellsworth and Samuel Adams can beat him out a lot of the time even. The highest EV total obtained by Burr in 100 simulations was 37, and he got 0 more often than he broke 30. In every single simulation, Adams got 72 or 61 while Jefferson got 67 or 78, meaning that Maryland was the deciding state every single election with an EV of 11. Jefferson begins with a lead in this state, but I would recommend giving Adams a lead as he would go on to receive the states votes. This would go a long way to making Adams win over Jefferson more than Jefferson wins over Adams. 

You must have an older version of this scenario. I just opened mine and it has Jefferson accurately labeled as Fmr Sec. 

[vcczar 1,291]

@CalebsParadox

However, I'm not sure if my later update fixed the playthrough problem you mention. I just did a playthrough right now. On election night, it was Adams, Jefferson, Burr, Pinckney, which was accurate. However, as the votes came in, the polls were wrong. It went Adams, with Burr barely sneaking past Jefferson. I think adding events could help in this; however, I may ultimately just make sure Adams and Jefferson are considerably stronger than Burr and Pinckney. 

[vcczar 1,291]

13 hours ago, NYrepublican said:

also @vcczar I noticed in your 1788 scenario your "the states should surrender sovereignty to the state" under the States rights issue is really confusing.

A sovereign country is called a state. France is a state. Italy is a state. I see why it's confusing because we misapply the term states to our states, who are not really states at all, since they aren't under one government, but rather under two (state and federal). However, our states have changed the term to apply to entities that are really just elective administrative districts. However, I can see why this would be confusing to anyone unaware of the difference between "the states" and "the state." If I remember, I'll make this change and upload a new 1788 with an easier to comprehend issue stance description after I go through the rest of the scenarios. Thanks for pointing this out. 

[Conservative Elector 2 338]

@vcczar I played through as James Monroe. I did not encounter any problems. Here are my results (I am not very good at playing the games, but I love to watch how it plays out - I like simulating way more than campaigning myself).

[vcczar 1,291]

@Conservative Elector 2

Really much appreciated! This was the kind of result I was hoping for. Thanks!

[vcczar 1,291]

Have @jvikings1 @SeanFKennedy and @Patine had a chance to look through this scenario? If no problems or typos or other areas of improvement can be found, then all I have to do is add some more events. You can see what has been updated in the original post. 

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

14 hours ago, victorraiders said:

seanfkennedy make 88 if he's like, i help with editing

You certainly are more than welcome to edit it my friend.

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

38 minutes ago, vcczar said:

Have @jvikings1 @SeanFKennedy and @Patine had a chance to look through this scenario? If no problems or typos or other areas of improvement can be found, then all I have to do is add some more events. You can see what has been updated in the original post. 

I will play though it when I get home from work.

[vcczar 1,291]

@SeanFKennedy

After you play through the level, I'll make adjustments based off what you notice, and then I'll upload the updated scenario. 

[Sean F. Kennedy 14]

Tested it this morning, I saw no problems in my playthrough

[jvikings1 48]

I'll test it today

[jvikings1 48]

I ended up with a Jefferson victory and Adams VP.  Maryland was within 3% and was the decider state.

[vcczar 1,291]

@CalebsParadox @jvikings1

Thanks!

[vcczar 1,291]

Ok, everyone. I'm going to upload the updated scenario soon. You can see the expected changes in the original post. 

[jvikings1 48]

Something I forgot to mention.  The ads are at a very high cost which make them pretty much useless.  I'm not sure if that was meant to be the case or something with the economics.

[vcczar 1,291]

8 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Something I forgot to mention.  The ads are at a very high cost which make them pretty much useless.  I'm not sure if that was meant to be the case or something with the economics.

That's probably for the best in the old scenarios. If enough people complain, I'll adjust them. 

[Patine 514]

1 hour ago, jvikings1 said:

Something I forgot to mention.  The ads are at a very high cost which make them pretty much useless.  I'm not sure if that was meant to be the case or something with the economics.

 

1 hour ago, vcczar said:

That's probably for the best in the old scenarios. If enough people complain, I'll adjust them. 

Yes, you must keep in mind, @jvikings1, in those elections, advertising consisted of cranking out (by old ink crank printer) posters, and then having people put them up by hand around select towns, or paying a literal mint for newspaper publishers to print them, or paying talented individuals to go around and spread your good word or well-composed contrafacta songs through various towns. By the standards and logistics of the day, it wasn't cheap.

[The British Empire 0]

I'm having trouble with this scenario. It says it can't open file C:\Program Files (x86)\President Infinity\scenarios\United States - 1796\party_images\federalist_party_symbol.bmp, and that the system can't find the path specified.