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He's hardly been able to get any of his platform through a congress that is dominated by his own party. I can't see how even someone that voted for him would say they approve of his work. I can see how someone might support him, but approval is a different matter. This is similar to how I felt about Obama. I didn't really approve of how he was handling the job for the first year, but I was still viewing him favorably, since he was trying to get things passed that I mostly agreed with. 

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16 minutes ago, vcczar said:

He's hardly been able to get any of his platform through a congress that is dominated by his own party.

This is noteworthy. Trump, who came in as an "outsider to drain the swamp and the GOP establishment," and who shrugs off many key parts of the core Republican platform (at least when campaigning) is the quintessesential definition of the derisive political moniker often used by partisan Republicans: RINO. Strangely, no one calls him that.

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9 hours ago, Patine said:

This is noteworthy. Trump, who came in as an "outsider to drain the swamp and the GOP establishment," and who shrugs off many key parts of the core Republican platform (at least when campaigning) is the quintessesential definition of the derisive political moniker often used by partisan Republicans: RINO. Strangely, no one calls him that.

if i remember correctly he under the radar signed some lobbying limitations in his first few days.

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22 hours ago, vcczar said:

He's hardly been able to get any of his platform through a congress that is dominated by his own party.

Wouldn't go as far as to say 'dominated', but obstruction from Democrats plays a key role, (not saying Republicans don't obstruct, they do) so it's not like Trump's not trying to pass anything. If anything, hes trying to pass stuff too fast (healthcare, travel ban, etc)

I wish there was a 'meh' option on this poll. I'm more moderate than I was back during the election, but I would probably still vote for him again.

You do raise some excellent points though.

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10 hours ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Wouldn't go as far as to say 'dominated', but obstruction from Democrats plays a key role, (not saying Republicans don't obstruct, they do) so it's not like Trump's not trying to pass anything. If anything, hes trying to pass stuff too fast (healthcare, travel ban, etc)

I wish there was a 'meh' option on this poll. I'm more moderate than I was back during the election, but I would probably still vote for him again.

You do raise some excellent points though.

I'm mixed in my opinion as well.

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3 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

I'm mixed in my opinion as well.

Is he not conservative enough or something? I don't believe you became a moderate, lol. What do you think of the Health Care bill?

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18 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Is he not conservative enough or something? I don't believe you became a moderate, lol. What do you think of the Health Care bill?

Yeah not conservative enough at all, and HELL NO, if anything I have gotten more Old Right in my ways and further divorced from any sort of Authoritarian Neoconservatism. I agree heavily with Rand and Ted on this issue, those are the men we need to be our leaders.

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@ThePotatoWalrus @Reagan04 @Patine

In regards to Trumps status as a RINO or conservative, I think we have to keep in mind Trump's abrupt evolution. 

Prior to Obama, Trump was practically a Democrat, or at least a NYC Republican, which is practically a Democrat. The Obama birther episode brought him renewed attentions, which he likes, so he sort of took on that nativist form of populism. He wasn't really like this before. On campaign, Trump was definitely a RINO, but loudly dressed in nativism, which is popular with many extreme conservatives. However, since taking office, he's pretty much thrown out most of his populism, except for the nativism. He's filled his offices with Goldman Sachs people and establishment Republicans. He's mostly towed the establishment Republican line. In fact, by being more of an establishment Republican, but maintaining the more conservative nativist ideology, he's actually more conservative than Rubio (who I use as the dividing line between ultra-conservatives and moderate conservatives). Trump, who campaigned as something of a military isolationist, has turned on this as well. Remember also, that when campaigning, Trump is also less supportive of LGBTs than he used to be. 

In short, if I were a very conservative Republicans, I would be unhappy that he can't get anything through a Republican dominated Congress, but I would be happy with his ideological shift. However, I'd also be wary. If he started getting more attention and more applause for working with Democrats, I think he could have another ideological shift. He's the sort of president and mind that I could see appointing both Ted Cruz, Barack Obama, or his own Federal Judge sister, to the Supreme Court, depending on which direction he's trending. It's only for this inconsistency that I prefer Trump to Cruz, Pence, Santorum and most other Conservatives (excluding Kasich, Huntsman, Susan Collins, who are worthy members of the opposition in my mind). Trump might actually do something I like, sometimes by accident. However, for now, Trump seems fairly conservative--too conservative. 

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

Yeah not conservative enough at all, and HELL NO, if anything I have gotten more Old Right in my ways and further divorced from any sort of Authoritarian Neoconservatism. I agree heavily with Rand and Ted on this issue, those are the men we need to be our leaders.

#StandWithRand

That is quite a shift.  From leaning Authoritarian and Neocon to leaning towards people who lean Libertarian

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

@ThePotatoWalrus @Reagan04 @Patine

In regards to Trumps status as a RINO or conservative, I think we have to keep in mind Trump's abrupt evolution. 

Prior to Obama, Trump was practically a Democrat, or at least a NYC Republican, which is practically a Democrat. The Obama birther episode brought him renewed attentions, which he likes, so he sort of took on that nativist form of populism. He wasn't really like this before. On campaign, Trump was definitely a RINO, but loudly dressed in nativism, which is popular with many extreme conservatives. However, since taking office, he's pretty much thrown out most of his populism, except for the nativism. He's filled his offices with Goldman Sachs people and establishment Republicans. He's mostly towed the establishment Republican line. In fact, by being more of an establishment Republican, but maintaining the more conservative nativist ideology, he's actually more conservative than Rubio (who I use as the dividing line between ultra-conservatives and moderate conservatives). Trump, who campaigned as something of a military isolationist, has turned on this as well. Remember also, that when campaigning, Trump is also less supportive of LGBTs than he used to be. 

In short, if I were a very conservative Republicans, I would be unhappy that he can't get anything through a Republican dominated Congress, but I would be happy with his ideological shift. However, I'd also be wary. If he started getting more attention and more applause for working with Democrats, I think he could have another ideological shift. He's the sort of president and mind that I could see appointing both Ted Cruz, Barack Obama, or his own Federal Judge sister, to the Supreme Court, depending on which direction he's trending. It's only for this inconsistency that I prefer Trump to Cruz, Pence, Santorum and most other Conservatives (excluding Kasich, Huntsman, Susan Collins, who are worthy members of the opposition in my mind). Trump might actually do something I like, sometimes by accident. However, for now, Trump seems fairly conservative--too conservative. 

CAN I GET A HALLELUJAH, CAN I GET AN AMEN FEELS LIKE THE HOLY GHOST RUNNING THROUGH YA WHEN I PLAY THE HIGHWAY FM.

That man is such a damn RINO, then he isn't. I mean I don't know what to say at this point, just that he scares me because he might do something I like, then not and mess it all up.

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5 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

#StandWithRand

That is quite a shift.  From leaning Authoritarian and Neocon to leaning towards people who lean Libertarian

Over a year of the 2016 election can do that to a person. Cruz/Paul 2024

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24 minutes ago, ThePotatoWalrus said:

Put Paul at the front and that'd be perfect ? 

Exactly what I was thinking

7 minutes ago, Patine said:

That would be an utterly monstrous ticket. :(

For big government... yes  For Liberty, it'll be a grand ticket.

2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

Over a year of the 2016 election can do that to a person. Cruz/Paul 2024

Who knows.  Maybe by then, we'll have a Gov. Rand Paul and a Sen. Matt Bevin (after 2 successful terms as Governor).  That is my dream for Kentucky's future.

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2 hours ago, Reagan04 said:

Over a year of the 2016 election can do that to a person. Cruz/Paul 2024

Being honest, I wouldn't be as opposed to a Christie/Paul ticket or Paul/Kasich when the alternatives are Trump, Cruz, Santorum, Rubio, etc. 

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5 minutes ago, CalebsParadox said:

Being honest, I wouldn't be as opposed to a Christie/Paul ticket or Paul/Kasich when the alternatives are Trump, Cruz, Santorum, Rubio, etc. 

Yeah, Paul is much preferable to Cruz, as is every other major politician. If Trump ends up choosing a far-right politicians for the Supreme Court, I hope he picks Ted Cruz, since, if he is going to pick a Cruz-like judge anyway, it might as well be Cruz to take him out of the Senate, and make it less likely he tries to become president. He would likely be less vocal as a judge. I think it would be a good way to "retire" him early. 

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1 minute ago, vcczar said:

to take him out of the Senate, and make it less likely he tries to become president. He would likely be less vocal as a judge. I think it would be a good way to "retire" him early. 

Probably a big reason people in Lindsey Graham said that he would make a great justice

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4 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Probably a big reason people in Lindsey Graham said that he would make a great justice

I might disagree with most of his decisions if he were a judge, but he's pedantic, arbitrary, and a bunch of other things that make the qualities of a good justice. It's just the ideological bias he has that's the problem to me and possibly a majority of Americans. 

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Just now, vcczar said:

I might disagree with most of his decisions if he were a judge, but he's pedantic, arbitrary, and a bunch of other things that make the qualities of a good justice. It's just the ideological bias he has that's the problem to me and possibly a majority of Americans. 

I'd argue that he has little regard for how controversial his decisions are, and he derives most of his beliefs from a view of the Constitution. He'd make a fine conservative pick. He's not overly concerned with his image in Washington and isn't a Trump like populist. 

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45 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

For big government... yes  For Liberty, it'll be a grand ticket.

If a theocrat like Cruz is part of it, the Liberty part is highly compromised right then and there (like it is now with the threat of another theocrat, Pence, taking over, if Trump dies, is debilitated, or forced to resign, by a medical condition, which is all to possible at his age and given his past lifestyle).

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10 minutes ago, Patine said:

If a theocrat like Cruz is part of it, the Liberty part is highly compromised right then and there (like it is now with the threat of another theocrat, Pence, taking over, if Trump dies, is debilitated, or forced to resign, by a medical condition, which is all to possible at his age and given his past lifestyle).

Cruz is not a theocrat.  He doesn't seek to establish a state religion or anything close to that.  It is ironic that you point out when people accuse someone of being a Socialist (Obama, Bernie, etc.), but then do the same thing when it comes to politicians that you don't like.

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2 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Cruz is not a theocrat.  He doesn't seek to establish a state religion or anything close to that.  It is ironic that you point out when people accuse someone of being a Socialist (Obama, Bernie, etc.), but then do the same thing when it comes to politicians that you don't like.

Okay, I'll rephrase. He's not like the Supreme Leader of Iran, the Sunni Caliph, the Lord Protector Oliver Cromwell, the Pope in the days of Papal States, the Judges of Israel of Antiquity before King Saul came to power, or the Pharoahs of Egypt, Huey Tlaetoni of the Aztecs, or other old monarch who combined theocratic power with monarchialism. I admit, I exaggerated for hyberbole. However, by base point is that Ted Cruz, and a large number of other Republican politicians, advocate legislating laws based solely on Judeo-Christian religious doctrine and that otherwise are not necessary for the protection of citizens' property and bodies from harm, violation, and theft by others (against their will), the defense of the nation from outside powers and insurgents, the creation of economic regulation to keep market stability and protect citizens from fraud and predatory economic practices, protecting minors and the mentally challenged from situations they can't deal with, minting currency, and other purposes for which government exists, and to have these "religious morality" laws be applicable to all religious groups, despite being made from one grouping of religions of a source. I have clarified my comment, but I still stand that these politicians inhibit, not enhance, liberty by the nature of their policies.

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@jvikings1 Cruz definitely has some theocratic tendancies. His tone often suggests a dangerous blur between the lines of Church and State. His language is not secular. If he was to avoid the constant use of "Judeo-Christian" values when discussing political matters, he wouldn't be misrepresented as a theocrat. I don't know why he can't keep his religion private from politics, unless it is to suggest it should have a more dominant role in politcs, or to suggest to voters that he might bring it to the forefront. The discussion of the issue should be in regards to practicality and enhancement of the country, not in regards to traditional Christian values, considering a large portion of the country do not share all of those values; although, there is inherent overlap. 

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