Netherlands Government

[jvikings1 40]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/12/dutch-coalition-talks-between-4-parties-fail-again.html

It seems that a majority coalition is going to be impossible to create without the PVV joining in.

[Guest]

Just now, jvikings1 said:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/12/dutch-coalition-talks-between-4-parties-fail-again.html

It seems that a majority coalition is going to be impossible to create without the PVV joining in.

Snap election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[victorraiders 0]

6 minutes ago, NYrepublican said:

Snap election!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Netherlands Need Wilders for P.M

[Conservative Elector 2 333]

I would like a coalition of VVD-PVV-CDA-CU since we need a majority of at least 75 seats. Sadly this won't happen I guess. However, a new election with a stronger PVV would also be quite nice.

[victorraiders 0]

13 minutes ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

I would like a coalition of VVD-PVV-CDA-CU since we need a majority of at least 75 seats. Sadly this won't happen I guess. However, a new election with a stronger PVV would also be quite nice.

PVV are most hated party among all others partys or have one party with like make coalition with PVV?

[Patine 468]

1 hour ago, Conservative Elector 2 said:

I would like a coalition of VVD-PVV-CDA-CU since we need a majority of at least 75 seats. Sadly this won't happen I guess. However, a new election with a stronger PVV would also be quite nice.

I don't know. Even the right-wing Dutch Parties seem to avoid PVV affiliation like the Plague, like with Jobbik in Hungary, though Fidesz there (along with their "ventriloquist dummy" coalition partner party, the Christian Democratic People's Party), seem to have gained a decisive, commanding majority in the last two or three elections held there without need for any coalition with an autonomous party, so they currently don't have to worry there, unlike in the Netherlands.

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Hopefully PVV or another nationalist will become very big. I dislike PVV though as they're too obsessed with the muslims, that is not the problem it is a symptom of the real problem in our culture which is degeneracy and decadence and a lack of white identity. If PVV gets power it might stop the immigration which can give nationalists more time to organise to change the culture into a healthier one. The Dutch are an intelligent and good people they deserve to survive. No doubt it is interesting to follow the development, i will tell my dutch friend to vote for the nationalist party, but i dont think he will though as he is cucked, most dutch people like him are too "nice" to take the necessary steps to retake their country. I hope though that there been change since the last election as many people are being uncucked weekly. It all depends on whether the Moroccan population is mobilised into a collective voting demographic for the reds as it will decide the election without a doubt so it might be too late for a democratic solution to the retaking of the NL. Without taking the hope that democrazy will solve the situation the NL is in people should organise in communities to retake their countries instead of relying on democratic action. Democratic action is a sleeping pillow for many people. When your people are becoming a minority in their own country and the demographics are bad democracy is just stupid. Organise in groups and make nationalist friends and celebrate your people, and make babies lots of them. Remember to home-school them to keep them away from the cultural marxist school system and teach them to be nationalists.

[jvikings1 40]

I hope a snap election results in a stronger PVV. But, I would like the VVD to still be at the top.  If the PVV is in a position to force a coalition, they might get more traction.  I would hope that they could push their Eurosceptic views but unable to push their more extreme views.  I think if the VVD calls another election and a coalition must include the PVV, they would be forced to enter a coalition with them.  If they try to hold a third election, the PVV would probably see massive gains (if they don't already in the 2nd election).

[RI Democrat 39]

It looks to me like they're just saying a VVD-D66-CDA-GL coalition is impossible, not that a minority coalition or a different coalition couldn't still be formed.

[Patine 468]

7 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

It looks to me like they're just saying a VVD-D66-CDA-GL coalition is impossible, not that a minority coalition or a different coalition couldn't still be formed.

Has the Netherlands ever had, or seriously considered, when all else failed, something equivalent to an Austrian or German "Grand Coalition", or would that also be impossible in Dutch politics?

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Mark Rutte is a homosexual that's degenerate. How can you support that jvikings?

[RI Democrat 39]

2 hours ago, Patine said:

Has the Netherlands ever had, or seriously considered, when all else failed, something equivalent to an Austrian or German "Grand Coalition", or would that also be impossible in Dutch politics?

That's sort of what they had in the previous parliament with the VVD and Labour forming the government and holding a majority of seats between them. Maybe part of the problem is that most of the time, the parliament is too divided for any two parties to hold a majority by themselves? Germany and Austria seem to have fewer viable parties in general than the Netherlands does.

For that matter, a VVD-D66-CDA-GL coalition would span a pretty wide ideological range. VVD are center-right market liberals, D66 are moderate social liberals, CDA are probably only a bit right of center, and GreenLeft's name speaks for itself.

[jvikings1 40]

2 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

That's sort of what they had in the previous parliament with the VVD and Labour forming the government and holding a majority of seats between them. Maybe part of the problem is that most of the time, the parliament is too divided for any two parties to hold a majority by themselves? Germany and Austria seem to have fewer viable parties in general than the Netherlands does.

For that matter, a VVD-D66-CDA-GL coalition would span a pretty wide ideological range. VVD are center-right market liberals, D66 are moderate social liberals, CDA are probably only a bit right of center, and GreenLeft's name speaks for itself.

Both of those are dead on.  The numerous amount of parties that got a number of seats makes it very difficult to form a coalition, especially when the 2nd party, PVV, is left out of talks.

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13 hours ago, Patine said:

Has the Netherlands ever had, or seriously considered, when all else failed, something equivalent to an Austrian or German "Grand Coalition", or would that also be impossible in Dutch politics?

they had that last election did not end well for either party a big reason why the labor party got creamed and the vvd lost alot of seats because of it.

[RI Democrat 39]

One interesting thing about this is that, despite Wilders's prominence, pro-EU parties actually hold a wide majority in this parliament - 33 for VVD, 19 for Christian Democratic Appeal, 19 for Democrats 66, 14 for GreenLeft, 9 for Labour, and 3 for DENK for a total of 97 of 150 seats, and I think the Socialists and the Party for the Animals are only "soft" Eurosceptics.

On economics, the parliament is more evenly divided with neither  left-of-center policies nor  right-of-center policies commanding a clear majority. I read the Wikipedia entries on the parties, and I can't tell if D66, Christian Union, or the PVV can really be categorized as consistently left- or right-leaning on economic issues. It seems like the same may be true of CDA as well.

Similarly, if you divide up the parties by their EU affiliates, neither the left nor the right could form a government without support from one of the two ALDE affiliates (VVD and D66).

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On 22/6/2017 at 4:49 PM, RI Democrat said:

One interesting thing about this is that, despite Wilders's prominence, pro-EU parties actually hold a wide majority in this parliament - 33 for VVD, 19 for Christian Democratic Appeal, 19 for Democrats 66, 14 for GreenLeft, 9 for Labour, and 3 for DENK for a total of 97 of 150 seats, and I think the Socialists and the Party for the Animals are only "soft" Eurosceptics.

People are eurosceptic but they want the establishment to rule, so you can only see the real opinion from the people in referendums.