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After working on this off and on for a long time and trying to take account of the changing European political scene, I finally have this in a form that I'd like to share. Note that this is something of an AU scenario in which the EU changes its system to resemble the German MMP system somewhat. Here is the blurb from the scenario file explaining why this is going on:

A series of crises for the European Union - including Britain's exit, Scotland's plans to leave the UK, rising nationalism, a refugee crisis, and controversial austerity measures - have set the stage for a critical European Parliamentary election. In an effort to create a more cohesive body politic and weaken the standing of extremists, European leaders have agreed to hold an early election under mixed-member proportional representation with EU-wide thresholds for obtaining party list seats, with the EU parties now allowed to share funding and resources across national borders. Each party is required to put forth a candidate for Commission President again, with numerous current and former heads of government in the running along with some other prominent pan-European figures.

I had to do quite a bit of educated guessing, particularly when it comes to issue stances and what to do with parties that are non-aligned IRL, so please let me know if you think I'm off the mark or if you have suggestions in general.

European Union - 2019.zip

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3 minutes ago, RI Democrat said:

After working on this off and on for a long time and trying to take account of the changing European political scene, I finally have this in a form that I'd like to share. Note that this is something of an AU scenario in which the EU changes its system to resemble the German MMP system somewhat. Here is the blurb from the scenario file explaining why this is going on:

A series of crises for the European Union - including Britain's exit, Scotland's plans to leave the UK, rising nationalism, a refugee crisis, and controversial austerity measures - have set the stage for a critical European Parliamentary election. In an effort to create a more cohesive body politic and weaken the standing of extremists, European leaders have agreed to hold an early election under mixed-member proportional representation with EU-wide thresholds for obtaining party list seats, with the EU parties now allowed to share funding and resources across national borders. Each party is required to put forth a candidate for Commission President again, with numerous current and former heads of government in the running along with some other prominent pan-European figures.

I had to do quite a bit of educated guessing, particularly when it comes to issue stances and what to do with parties that are non-aligned IRL, so please let me know if you think I'm off the mark or if you have suggestions in general.

European Union - 2019.zip

can you please port this to PI or PMI if possible.It looks like a good scenario.

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41 minutes ago, republicaninnyc said:

can you please port this to PI or PMI if possible.It looks like a good scenario.

It's possible that R.I. Democrat finds PMI and PI as annoying to work with, underdeveloped as engines, stifled by Anthony's priorities of development, and other factors inhibiting his making of scenarios by them as opposed to P4E, PM4E, and K4E (like I do). That, and you can't do the European Parliament Elections with any credibility AT ALL by either PI or PMI, because the MMP system in a functional form is REQUIRED, but Anthony has annoying put a new version of that to the perpetual backburner (another priority decision of his that greatly annoys me).

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@Reagan04 Not bad, thanks for asking.

I do work with PMI and PI occasionally, and in fact I plan to do a sort of "sister scenario" in PI where EU voters are now electing a Council President through a sort of Electoral College. However, for the purpose of the parliamentary election, K4E is really the only option. Having the EU adopt first-past-the-post would just be a stretch too far, IMO.

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I don't mean to sound whiny, but does the lack of response mean:

1) Most posters here don't own K4E and thus can't play the scenario?
2) People aren't interested in this particular scenario?
3) People played it and have no feedback?
4) People don't like it and are being too polite to say so?

If #4 is the answer, please feel free to be impolite and voice your criticisms. Otherwise, I'm wondering whether I should post it as is on the site or just shelve it due to lack of interest.

(EDIT: I said CI when I meant K4E.)

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3 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

I don't mean to sound whiny, but does the lack of response mean:

1) Most posters here don't own CI and thus can't play the scenario?
2) People aren't interested in this particular scenario?
3) People played it and have no feedback?
4) People don't like it and are being too polite to say so?

If #4 is the answer, please feel free to be impolite and voice your criticisms. Otherwise, I'm wondering whether I should post it as is on the site or just shelve it due to lack of interest.

Well, I dont own CI, but the scenarios of CI are playable in PMI.

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I'm thinking about possibly getting Chancellor Infinity.  But, I think #1 is probably the reason for this.  If proportional is added the PMI, I would definitely be interested in playing a European Parliament election.

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11 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

I'm thinking about possibly getting Chancellor Infinity.  But, I think #1 is probably the reason for this.  If proportional is added the PMI, I would definitely be interested in playing a European Parliament election.

same though if Patine's scenarios are made I may get Congress Infinity.

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Oh, this is for Chancellor Forever! Not Congress Infinity, I have K4E I just never installed a scenario and am not seeing the folder for it, any help?

I thought it was I'll check now

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6 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Oh, this is for Chancellor Forever! Not Congress Infinity, I have K4E I just never installed a scenario and am not seeing the folder for it, any help?

it's for chancellor forever confirmed.

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10 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Oh, this is for Chancellor Forever! Not Congress Infinity, I have K4E I just never installed a scenario and am not seeing the folder for it, any help?

I thought you said you had installed my West Germany 1949 scenario and actually played it.

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BTW, I am planning to do a companion President Infinity scenario to this whereby the changes to the EU parliamentary election system are accompanied by the establishment of an electoral college to choose the President of the European Council (a separate office from the President of the European Commission, who answers to the parliament).

However, I'm wondering what to do about the parties since none of the EU parties would ever even come close to winning a majority of EU voters' support. I was considering having a "primary" where candidates from the main left-of-center and right-of-center blocs might compete with each other to be the standard-bearer for the general election. So probably PASD, G-EFA, and GUE-NGL would compete for the left's nomination, and EPP, ECR, EFDD, and ENF would compete for the right. (The fringe hard-left and neo-fascist parties would still be on their own and potentially playing spoiler.)

Would people prefer that, or just have each party run its own campaign and let the chips fall where they may? The latter would probably result in "Congress" choosing a winner most of the time, while the former would group together parties that often don't get along IRL and would leave me with a dilemma over what to do with the ALDE affiliates.

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2 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

BTW, I am planning to do a companion President Infinity scenario to this whereby the changes to the EU parliamentary election system are accompanied by the establishment of an electoral college to choose the President of the European Council (a separate office from the President of the European Commission, who answers to the parliament).

However, I'm wondering what to do about the parties since none of the EU parties would ever even come close to winning a majority of EU voters' support. I was considering having a "primary" where candidates from the main left-of-center and right-of-center blocs might compete with each other to be the standard-bearer for the general election. So probably PASD, G-EFA, and GUE-NGL would compete for the left's nomination, and EPP, ECR, EFDD, and ENF would compete for the right. (The fringe hard-left and neo-fascist parties would still be on their own and potentially playing spoiler.)

Would people prefer that, or just have each party run its own campaign and let the chips fall where they may? The latter would probably result in "Congress" choosing a winner most of the time, while the former would group together parties that often don't get along IRL and would leave me with a dilemma over what to do with the ALDE affiliates.

I would be interested in this type of campaign.  Although, with the new popular vote feature, you could have a 2 round popular vote system.  The ENF, EFDD (although depending on when this occurs, the EFDD will be weakened with UKIP's exit), and ECR could be its own "party" as the Eurosceptics on the right.  The EPP could be alone because they represent the pro-European center-right.  Considering the GUE-NGL has some far-left tendencies and parties, they could be off on their own with other far-left non-Inscrits (such as the Greek Communist Party).  I am not sure where the ALDE would go. Although, they could be in the left camp instead of the GUE-NGL.  Or, its supporters could be split between the left camp and the pro-Europe center-right.  Non-Inscrits such as Jobbik and Golden Dawn would probably go together for a far-right party.

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I'd play any PI version you'd like to make. Just not going to buy an old German election game running on a 2005 (I think) version of the engine. 

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On 5/10/2017 at 8:37 PM, RI Democrat said:

After working on this off and on for a long time and trying to take account of the changing European political scene, I finally have this in a form that I'd like to share. Note that this is something of an AU scenario in which the EU changes its system to resemble the German MMP system somewhat. Here is the blurb from the scenario file explaining why this is going on:

A series of crises for the European Union - including Britain's exit, Scotland's plans to leave the UK, rising nationalism, a refugee crisis, and controversial austerity measures - have set the stage for a critical European Parliamentary election. In an effort to create a more cohesive body politic and weaken the standing of extremists, European leaders have agreed to hold an early election under mixed-member proportional representation with EU-wide thresholds for obtaining party list seats, with the EU parties now allowed to share funding and resources across national borders. Each party is required to put forth a candidate for Commission President again, with numerous current and former heads of government in the running along with some other prominent pan-European figures.

I had to do quite a bit of educated guessing, particularly when it comes to issue stances and what to do with parties that are non-aligned IRL, so please let me know if you think I'm off the mark or if you have suggestions in general.

European Union - 2019.zip

you should remove scotland.

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I've been thinking about redoing this scenario, this time using PM4I with the popular vote feature turned on and an Excel sheet to calculate seats based on the number of votes in each region. It wouldn't perfectly duplicate the EU's actual system for electing MEPs, but it would be closer, and I would also update the leadership candidates and background so that the UK is still participating at the time of the vote (as indeed they did IRL). Would people be interested in giving it a shot if I do that?

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10 hours ago, RI Democrat said:

I've been thinking about redoing this scenario, this time using PM4I with the popular vote feature turned on and an Excel sheet to calculate seats based on the number of votes in each region. It wouldn't perfectly duplicate the EU's actual system for electing MEPs, but it would be closer, and I would also update the leadership candidates and background so that the UK is still participating at the time of the vote (as indeed they did IRL). Would people be interested in giving it a shot if I do that?

This sounds quite interesting and I'm looking forward to seeing how this experiment turns out.. Although I'm still planning a lot of projects by outright K4E, despite "novelty fiends," and "port demanders," around here. I also have CI and PM and Presidential scenarios of various sorts planned too on my large bucket list - but my K4E plans remain as such until @admin_270 takes seriously the NEED for a decent gain engine that does non-FPTP/Australian legislative scenario election types of various sorts.

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I've finished creating all the regions and percentages, based roughly on the RL results of the 2019 EU election. I did have to take some liberties with the parties, since some countries had multiple parties/lists running under the same EU affiliate, and obviously the PMI system can't accommodate that. The main problem I'm running into is that the RL formulas used to apportion seats are actually pretty complicated and not the sort of thing that I can easily convert into an Excel formula. If I use a simpler formula, such as just multiplying the percentage that each party wins by the number of seats contested and rounding to the nearest, the total number of seats awarded often does not add up to the RL totals because of rounding. I can minimize - but not entirely eliminate - this problem by simply doing one calculation awarding seats based on the EU-wide percentages of the vote instead of a separate calculation for each country, thus keeping the total number of seats at or near the real-life total of 750. But this removes the principle of "degressive proportionality" whereby the smaller nations get a slightly disproportionate number of seats, which is how it works IRL.

(I'm also not sure if players would have the patience to enter separate totals for each country or region into the Excel sheet - it would be something like 30+ rows of data to be entered when you take into account the splitting of certain larger countries - specifically Germany, France, the UK, Spain, and Poland - into subregions in the existing map.)

As for simply sticking with K4E, that would take a *lot* of guesswork when it comes to individual constituencies, percentages, and population figures. That sort of information is extremely difficult to find for EU elections, where often the only available results are in other languages and either (1) reported nationwide or (2) reported by regions that are not even close to being equal in size.

Would people be OK with a somewhat alternate-universe scenario where the seats are simply determined by multiplying each party's percentage by 750 and rounding to the nearest? I don't want to just throw away the work I've done, but I'm not sure what else to do with it at this point.

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