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The legislative elections will be interesting.  Macron will have to work hard to get a majority.  But, the FN has an opportunity to pick up quite a few seats.  The French legislature could get stuck in a 4 way gridlock.

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4 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

The legislative elections will be interesting.  Macron will have to work hard to get a majority.  But, the FN has an opportunity to pick up quite a few seats.  The French legislature could get stuck in a 4 way gridlock.

That's what'll happen. Le Pen is playing the long game. Macron won't win enough seats in the Assembly, leading to political gridlock which will lead Macron to lose the next election.

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Le Pen would make a great president. I agree with her left-leaning policies , but her stance againts immigration and Islam is a turn off. 

I live in a region in the philippines where 32  % of the population is muslim. And I live in a town with 44 % Muslims. 

And generally we live in peace. 

Although I agree with her on EU , EU had always interfered in philippine politics. Always criticizing our president.

Althoug I think macron is the lesser of the two evils.

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21 hours ago, LegolasRedbard said:

That's what'll happen. Le Pen is playing the long game. Macron won't win enough seats in the Assembly, leading to political gridlock which will lead Macron to lose the next election.

FN has been playing the long game for 20 years, if Macron's status quo policies don't lead him down the rabbit hole, his lack of experience with handling politicians will do it for him.

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11 hours ago, HomosexualSocialist said:

Le Pen would make a great president. I agree with her left-leaning policies , but her stance againts immigration and Islam is a turn off. 

I live in a region in the philippines where 32  % of the population is muslim. And I live in a town with 44 % Muslims. 

And generally we live in peace. 

Although I agree with her on EU , EU had always interfered in philippine politics. Always criticizing our president.

Althoug I think macron is the lesser of the two evils.

Contrary to popular belief, Islam itself is NOT inherently a militant and violent that makes bad neighbours. Like all other religions, especially Christianity as well, it depends on who the local religious leaders are, what's going on at the time, where you are, what political and historical baggage is relevant (or made relevant, sometimes by contrivance), and how the religious communities involved and relevant are behaving reciprocally. However, bad stereotypes and clichéd expectations often make such interreligious harmony like you describe unbelievable to many, and, in a few cases, lead to a desire to sabotage such...

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

Contrary to popular belief, Islam itself is NOT inherently a militant and violent that makes bad neighbours. Like all other religions, especially Christianity as well, it depends on who the local religious leaders are, what's going on at the time, where you are, what political and historical baggage is relevant (or made relevant, sometimes by contrivance), and how the religious communities involved and relevant are behaving reciprocally. However, bad stereotypes and clichéd expectations often make such interreligious harmony like you describe unbelievable to many, and, in a few cases, lead to a desire to sabotage such...

Things in the Koran that say convert or die is a put off.

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36 minutes ago, jvikings1 said:

Things in the Koran that say convert or die is a put off.

Actually, it doesn't say that, strangely, anymore than it actually outright calls for women to be fully covered in public and other myths many in the West have about actual Qu'ranic law. As a matter of fact, most Medieval Islamic nations, and all the way up to and including the Ottoman Empire until it's fall, kept large communities of non-Moslems in their borders for fiscal reasons -  because, while the "convert or die" thing is actually not in the Qu'ran, the Qu'ran does demand non-Moslems who reside in a nation ruled by a Moslem ruler to pay a different (and higher) tax than Moslem denizens, and thus having large, unconverted populations under manageable control made it easier for such Islamic rulers to balance the books through taxation. And, while demanding all Moslems "convert or die" is not implicitly in the Qu'ran (unless it's worded in an Apocalyptic, final judgement way such as "all who do not turn to Christ in the end will end up in the Lake of Fire"), it would also be contrary to the explicitly stated ideal (although often ignored in practice, like all religious scriptures of all religions end up being at different times and for different excuses), conversion by coercion is not "valid" by Qu'ranic law as to convert to Islam you must be of "sober and sound mind and understand and accept fully what is means to take up the burden of being a Moslem."

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

Actually, it doesn't say that, strangely, anymore than it actually outright calls for women to be fully covered in public and other myths many in the West have about actual Qu'ranic law. As a matter of fact, most Medieval Islamic nations, and all the way up to and including the Ottoman Empire until it's fall, kept large communities of non-Moslems in their borders for fiscal reasons -  because, while the "convert or die" thing is actually not in the Qu'ran, the Qu'ran does demand non-Moslems who reside in a nation ruled by a Moslem ruler to pay a different (and higher) tax than Moslem denizens, and thus having large, unconverted populations under manageable control made it easier for such Islamic rulers to balance the books through taxation. And, while demanding all Moslems "convert or die" is not implicitly in the Qu'ran (unless it's worded in an Apocalyptic, final judgement way such as "all who do not turn to Christ in the end will end up in the Lake of Fire"), it would also be contrary to the explicitly stated ideal (although often ignored in practice, like all religious scriptures of all religions end up being at different times and for different excuses), conversion by coercion is not "valid" by Qu'ranic law as to convert to Islam you must be of "sober and sound mind and understand and accept fully what is means to take up the burden of being a Moslem."

please look at this http://www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/rights.htm @Patine

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1 hour ago, Patine said:

Actually, it doesn't say that, strangely, anymore than it actually outright calls for women to be fully covered in public and other myths many in the West have about actual Qu'ranic law. As a matter of fact, most Medieval Islamic nations, and all the way up to and including the Ottoman Empire until it's fall, kept large communities of non-Moslems in their borders for fiscal reasons -  because, while the "convert or die" thing is actually not in the Qu'ran, the Qu'ran does demand non-Moslems who reside in a nation ruled by a Moslem ruler to pay a different (and higher) tax than Moslem denizens, and thus having large, unconverted populations under manageable control made it easier for such Islamic rulers to balance the books through taxation. And, while demanding all Moslems "convert or die" is not implicitly in the Qu'ran (unless it's worded in an Apocalyptic, final judgement way such as "all who do not turn to Christ in the end will end up in the Lake of Fire"), it would also be contrary to the explicitly stated ideal (although often ignored in practice, like all religious scriptures of all religions end up being at different times and for different excuses), conversion by coercion is not "valid" by Qu'ranic law as to convert to Islam you must be of "sober and sound mind and understand and accept fully what is means to take up the burden of being a Moslem."

 

Truly, Islam is one of the most avowedly violent religions, Mohammed raped 7 year olds for crying out loud!

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Just now, republicaninnyc said:

*9 year old

Really a negligible difference considering the circumstances.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

Really a negligible difference considering the circumstances.

Well one's rape and one's accusations domestic violence (Aisha) so there's a difference.

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Just now, republicaninnyc said:

Well one's rape and one's accusations domestic violence (Aisha) so there's a difference.

Either 7 or 9, that is still rape, I don't quite understand what you are getting at.

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6 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

Either 7 or 9, that is still rape, I don't quite understand what you are getting at.

I was just trying to figure out exactly what situation you were talking about.

sorry for the confusion.

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Just now, republicaninnyc said:

I was just trying to figure out exactly what situation you were talking about.

That fact that you needed to figure which account of assaulting/raping small girls is shameful in and of itself.

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Just now, Reagan04 said:

That fact that you needed to figure which account of assaulting/raping small girls is shameful in and of itself.

ok Well I hadn't heard of what you were talking about before.

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Just now, republicaninnyc said:

ok Well I hadn't heard of what you were talking about before.

To me, any relations with a minor is rape, as Consent can't truly be given.

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1 minute ago, Reagan04 said:

To me, any relations with a minor is rape, as Consent can't truly be given.

I can agree with that as a general principle.(There's always exceptions to almost anything)

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52 minutes ago, republicaninnyc said:

These are modern (post-Ottoman) ideological and philosophical viewpoints, not the ones I was referring to. They are effectively revisionist, not from the source. The same kind of revisionism that said Christ spoke of, endorsed, or gave any instructions AT ALL for nation-buildings or economics of any sort.

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Just now, Patine said:

These are modern (post-Ottoman) ideological and philosophical viewpoints, not the ones I was referring to. They are effectively revisionist, not from the source. The same kind of revisionism that said Christ spoke of, endorsed, or gave any instructions AT ALL for nation-buildings or economics of any sort.

What source were you referring to?

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

These are modern (post-Ottoman) ideological and philosophical viewpoints, not the ones I was referring to. They are effectively revisionist, not from the source. The same kind of revisionism that said Christ spoke of, endorsed, or gave any instructions AT ALL for nation-buildings or economics of any sort.

 

On that last point I agree with you 100%. I think stuffing words in Jesus' mouth is a terrible sin.

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2 minutes ago, Reagan04 said:

To me, any relations with a minor is rape, as Consent can't truly be given.

Forced marriage, even of children, was a common practice in virtually all cultures and nations of Antiquity and the Medieval Period, even ones in those days adhering to Judaism or Christianity. It wasn't a uniquely Moslem thing, it was a practice common across the board in those old day.

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1 minute ago, Patine said:

Forced marriage, even of children, was a common practice in virtually all cultures and nations of Antiquity and the Medieval Period, even ones in those days adhering to Judaism or Christianity. It wasn't a uniquely Moslem thing, it was a practice common across the board in those old day.

 
 

But the founder of our religion didn't practice it.

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